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| CrippsFX | good morning folks. | 14:32 |
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| xbeanx | how can I add an object to a container on creation, so that that object shows up inside that container in the ZMI (zope3) ? | 14:51 |
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| Theuni | use event subscribers for objectcreatedevent or objectaddedevent | 14:52 |
| xbeanx | thanks Theuni, I'll go have a read about that | 14:53 |
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| baijum | xbeanx, If you are creating the container also, you can create your object and use containers __setitem__ (eg:- myobj = MyObject() ; mycontainer['myobj-1'] = myobj ) | 15:01 |
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| xbeanx | ahh, I was just about to try that when Theuni replied. That way seems a little easier | 15:03 |
| baijum | xbeanx, may be this is useful for you: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/FAQ#how-to-give-unique-name-for-an-object-within-a-container | 15:04 |
| xbeanx | actually, that is very helpful, thanks. I was about to go look for similar info once I got past the problem I am currently on | 15:05 |
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| xbeanx | I used __setitem__ to add a subcontainer to my BTreeContainer object in __init__ .. However I seem to have some kind of permission problem when I try to get the contents of the parent container in the ZMI. | 15:50 |
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| xbeanx | ForbiddenAttribute: ('__len__' .... | 15:50 |
| xbeanx | How do I give the subcontainer the same permissions as the parent? | 15:50 |
| xbeanx | I'm sure its a browser issue because my unit tests pass | 15:51 |
| ignas | J1m: i have found out how to reproduce the buildout bug with docutils. Are you interested? | 15:56 |
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| benji | xbeanx: don't have time to really help, but a drive by: your subcontainer has its __parent__ set to its container, right? | 16:00 |
| xbeanx | umm......... now it does :) | 16:01 |
| xbeanx | hehe | 16:01 |
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| xbeanx | Hrm, still the same problem after setting __parent__ .. | 16:04 |
| baijum | Theuni, I am going to change zope.locations dependency on zope.proxy like this (in trunk) : zope.proxy >= 3.4 , now it is: zope.proxy>3.3 , is it ok ? | 16:05 |
| Theuni | i think not | 16:10 |
| Theuni | 3.4dev is < 3.4 therefore zope.location won't work with any pre-release packages of zope.proxy | 16:10 |
| baijum | ah, ok | 16:11 |
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| CrippsFX | I have a regex constraint set on a field in my schema, so when the field input isn't correct, there's the error box that says "Constraint not staisfied," is it possible to get a custom error message without moving the constraint to _validate() in the fields.py file? | 16:48 |
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| Theuni | I think not. | 16:54 |
| CrippsFX | darn. Oh well. At least it doesn't make *that much* extra work for me then ;) | 16:55 |
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| svenn | Hi, I just installed the zc.datetimewidget, but the calendar do not show in my custom skin. The demo app works in the rotterdam skin. Any suggestions? | 21:23 |
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| xbeanx | what is 'zc' anyway? | 21:47 |
| xbeanx | I also see 'z3c' in the zope svn.. What is that? | 21:47 |
| ka-jod | i think zope corporation | 21:47 |
| xbeanx | ohh, okay.. I'll have to check some of that stuff out! | 21:47 |
| ka-jod | http://www.zope.com/ | 21:48 |
| xbeanx | cool, never even thought to visit their site before | 21:50 |
| benji | yep, "zc" is just the name space we use for our packages | 21:51 |
| xbeanx | so much to learn.. it's overwhelming | 21:53 |
| faassen | zc is 'zope corporation' packages, that zc initiated. | 21:54 |
| faassen | while z3c packages are 'zope 3 community' packages. | 21:54 |
| faassen | initiated by some community members. | 21:54 |
| faassen | that prefix doesn't really matter much. | 21:54 |
| faassen | they're all community maintained one way or another, though of course someitmes the only community contributors are from zc. :) | 21:54 |
| faassen | xbeanx: what brings you to Zope 3? | 21:55 |
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| xbeanx | faassen: I've been using plone for a while as well as issuetracker (peterbe's product)... I've been asked to write a fairly large project over the course of the next year, replacing one that's been written in PHP.... | 21:56 |
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| xbeanx | I'd like to move away from PHP/MySQL and use something that's more component driven and reusable. | 21:56 |
| faassen | xbeanx: cool | 21:56 |
| xbeanx | Figured Zope 3 was a good direction to go. Having some issues with the learning curve but getting through it steadily. | 21:57 |
| faassen | xbeanx: zope 3's reuse story is one of the best I know about. | 21:57 |
| faassen | xbeanx: I trust you've heard about grok? concerning learning curve. it's fairly new so it's still baking. | 21:57 |
| faassen | xbeanx: but the learning curve is one of the aspects we're focusing on. | 21:58 |
| faassen | xbeanx: Grok is this big caveman that's jumping up and down on the zope 3 learning curve trying to squash it. | 21:58 |
| xbeanx | lol, I have heard of it and watched some screencasts.. | 21:58 |
| faassen | xbeanx: okay, just so you're aware of it. :) | 21:58 |
| faassen | xbeanx: we got a tutorial too. incomplete but still many pages. | 21:59 |
| xbeanx | I'm not afraid of the learning curve.. It's all logical so I can get through it, but I am going through a lot of examples trying to figure it all out. | 21:59 |
| xbeanx | I've read all the tutorials :) | 21:59 |
| faassen | xbeanx: makes sense. :) | 21:59 |
| CrippsFX | I'm still reading the dev book :P | 21:59 |
| faassen | xbeanx: yeah, Zope 3 does make lots of sense. :) | 21:59 |
| CrippsFX | zope 3 is absolutely beautiful, and after the learning curve. is extremely intuitive, and easy to use. | 22:00 |
| xbeanx | I found there was a point when it all just made sense to me. Now that I'm past that point it's just a matter of exploring the framework to see its full potential | 22:00 |
| faassen | yeah, the thing tha tnever stops is figuring out how to use all the components everywhere. :) | 22:00 |
| faassen | I mean, we got so many of them and you can put them together in so many ways. | 22:01 |
| faassen | but that's a luxury problem. :) | 22:01 |
| CrippsFX | hahaha | 22:01 |
| xbeanx | Yea.. Good point. I'm also fairly new to this design process, I almost don't know where to start. | 22:01 |
| faassen | xbeanx: Martin Aspeli had this good blog about not overengineering. | 22:02 |
| xbeanx | Basically I'm writing a few core components that I will need and am gluing them together to make them functional. | 22:02 |
| faassen | xbeanx: the component architecture invites you to write flexible code and define interfaces, etc. | 22:02 |
| * CrippsFX likes interfaces ... except in java | 22:02 | |
| faassen | xbeanx: but often you can only build the right code after some experience with the problem domain, so doing a lot up front might get you overwhelmed. | 22:02 |
| xbeanx | optilude.blogspot.com ? | 22:03 |
| faassen | yeah. | 22:03 |
| faassen | interfaces are good. it's just sometimes I don't know what to put in them. ) | 22:03 |
| xbeanx | I'll add that to my nightly reading regimine.. | 22:03 |
| faassen | and if I don't know that, I know I need to actually write some more code and tests. :) | 22:03 |
| xbeanx | Right now my biggest problems are with publising my objects. I can write up components that behave well, but making it all work in a browser is challenging. | 22:04 |
| faassen | xbeanx: I'd tell you to just use grok.View :) | 22:04 |
| xbeanx | Well I think its just that I don't understand that part of it all quite yet. | 22:06 |
| xbeanx | But every day I'm getting a little better with it all. | 22:06 |
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| faassen | xbeanx: you have seen the grok tutorial? :) | 22:07 |
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| faassen | xbeanx: I think it makes a decent attempt to show how to do it (with grok, but it is using the same object publisher underneath) | 22:08 |
| faassen | xbeanx: http://grok.zope.org/tutorial.html | 22:08 |
| faassen | xbeanx: it's not traditional Zope 3 code of course. anyway, if you get time to look at that, we'd be happy to find out what you think about it. | 22:08 |
| faassen | xbeanx: not to draw you away from zope 3 proper. :) | 22:08 |
| xbeanx | I will certainly look at that.. I haven't read that tutorial yet.. However I did read a bunch of stuff about grok already. | 22:09 |
| faassen | xbeanx: it's just we focused a lot on making the simple stuff simple. | 22:10 |
| faassen | xbeanx: I mean, Zope 3 makes the hard thing possible, but the simple thing somewhat hard sometimes. :) | 22:10 |
| xbeanx | So I take it you are involved with grok, huh? :) | 22:11 |
| faassen | xbeanx: obviously! | 22:11 |
| faassen | xbeanx: I'm one of the prime instigators. :) | 22:11 |
| faassen | xbeanx: anyway, I'm interested in you as you're a beginner with Zope 3. | 22:11 |
| faassen | xbeanx: and Grok is trying to make the beginner experience for Zope 3 easier (and make life easier for experienced developers to boot) | 22:11 |
| faassen | xbeanx: not everybody agrees with how we're trying to do this, but that's what makes life interesting. | 22:12 |
| faassen | xbeanx: the project is a little over half a year old now, so it's still early. | 22:12 |
| xbeanx | Well I'll give it a go and let you know over the next couple of weeks what I think. I never actually considered using it for our project, but perhaps I'll change my mind after I try out the tutorial you sent me. | 22:14 |
| Newfie | Grok looks interesting, seems something like what Django project is doing | 22:14 |
| faassen | xbeanx: I'm not saying you should, it's still early days. | 22:14 |
| faassen | xbeanx: but it can't hurt taking a look and we're actively looking for feedback. | 22:14 |
| faassen | Newfie: yes, it's somewhat similar in approach. | 22:14 |
| faassen | I mean, grok is just Zope 3, it doesn't change the basic patterns much, just tries to make them more convenient. | 22:15 |
| xbeanx | faassen: I didn't really consider it because I figured it would be better for me to figure out the zope 3 internals first. | 22:15 |
| faassen | xbeanx: that certainly can't hurt. :) | 22:16 |
| faassen | xbeanx: the tutorial is written from the perspective of someone who just wants to get working and gradually learns about internals. | 22:16 |
| faassen | xbeanx: that's the learning curve we envision. | 22:16 |
| Newfie | I think starting off with Django framework is allowing me to better understand what im at when I look at zope 3 | 22:16 |
| xbeanx | are there any larger-scale apps that are downloadable that I can go through? (for grok I mean) | 22:16 |
| faassen | Newfie: I can imagine so. experience with other frameworks, especially python ones, helps. | 22:17 |
| faassen | xbeanx: no, unfortunately there isn't much out there yet. there are a few examples (we should put some more links in the wiki) | 22:17 |
| xbeanx | One of my pet peeves are "hello world" programs.. uGh... I wanna see it do some hardcore stuff, knowhatimean? | 22:17 |
| faassen | xbeanx: but nothing very large. I have some customer projects which might turn into those eventually. | 22:17 |
| faassen | xbeanx: sure. I mean, we have a simple wiki | 22:17 |
| faassen | xbeanx: and an unfinished blog. :) | 22:18 |
| xbeanx | well even that is better than hello world :) | 22:18 |
| faassen | xbeanx: there's a summer of code project that is going to build a better app. | 22:18 |
| faassen | xbeanx: there's also a guy who wrote a chess frontend with grok. | 22:18 |
| xbeanx | because what I need to do is much more complex than hello world, which is why I chose zope to begin with | 22:18 |
| faassen | xbeanx: naturally. anyway, some of the examples floating around use the catalog and such. :) | 22:18 |
| faassen | xbeanx: anyway, Grok's still too new to point to any big applications at this stage, unfortunately. | 22:19 |
| xbeanx | okay, well that gives me something to do tonight... | 22:19 |
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| faassen | xbeanx: anyway, it *should* be easy to just get a web page visible with Grok. :) | 22:20 |
| xbeanx | excellent, thanks for the tips.. the work day is drawing to a close here so I'm gonna head home and zopify my brain | 22:21 |
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| faassen | xbeanx: okay, have fun. :) | 22:21 |
| Newfie | yeah same here thanks for the info, it will help on my way to Zope3 enlightenment | 22:27 |
| faassen | Newfie: hopefully! hope we don't confuse the issue. Grok code does look different from Zope 3 code, but it's mostly surface details. | 22:28 |
| faassen | Newfie: and it works with zope 3 code. | 22:28 |
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| svenn | I solved my datetimewidget problem. I had a (profile) attribute in my head tag which stopped the script tags from getting rendered. | 22:51 |
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| svenn | Should this be considered as a bug? | 22:52 |
| benji | svenn: yep; please file a bug report | 22:52 |
| svenn | Where? | 22:52 |
| benji | https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/ | 22:53 |
| svenn | OK, will do. | 22:53 |
| benji | thanks | 22:53 |
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