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| J1m | sm, it was common for Zope 2 applications to et the default encoding to latin-1. | 00:26 |
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| J1m | This was, perhaps, some kinda reasonable compromise given the non-handling of unicode in zope 2. | 00:27 |
| J1m | Zope 3 applications should ***never*** hack the default encoding. | 00:27 |
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| sm | I see - thanks jim | 00:32 |
| * sm has decided catalog-indexed attributes in zope 2 apps just need to be non-unicode text | 00:34 | |
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| duun | hi! whom should i report the frequent breakages of Zope3 websites to, please? | 01:15 |
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| Theuni | duun: what i kind of breakages are you referring to? | 01:21 |
| duun | Theuni: I tried to search for "viewlet", but got back a traceback (Unicode something) I can paste that into the paste.lisp.org if you're interested. | 01:22 |
| * J1m things this is related to sm's question. :) | 01:23 | |
| * J1m thinks this is related to sm's question. :) | 01:23 | |
| duun | I am under the impression that problems related to the Zope3 website(s) might be reported best to someone else than webmaster@zope.org. That's why I ask here. | 01:24 |
| J1m | Why do you have that impression? | 01:25 |
| J1m | In any case, I'm confident that the person responsible for the Zope 3 Wiki is working on this problem. :) | 01:25 |
| Theuni | You could report the problem to the `web` mailinglist where people that maintain the zope websites hang out, i'm not sure where webmaster@zope.org gets routed. | 01:26 |
| J1m | I think he would have to be a member of that list. | 01:26 |
| J1m | I think webmaster@zope.org is the appropriate address. | 01:26 |
| duun | I have that impression because I usually get no response at the webmaster@zope.org address, and because my gut feeling (and last experience) is that the problem can continue for days without anyone noticing it. | 01:26 |
| duun | The last such problem was that wiki.zope.org, apparently hosting all of the recent Zope3 stuff, was down for two or three days, if I remember correctly. | 01:28 |
| Theuni | I didn't see anybody talking about a unicode problem on the zweb list in the last weeks so it might be that nobody noticed. | 01:28 |
| Theuni | The downtime was a problem with the hardware unfortunately. | 01:28 |
| J1m | Theuni, look at the log of this irc. | 01:29 |
| J1m | say, starting around 4 hours ago. :) | 01:29 |
| Theuni | Hmm. The thread by sm? | 01:30 |
| J1m | yes | 01:31 |
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| Theuni | I couldn't initially make out any relation to the wikis from that. but as you remind me ... | 01:31 |
| Theuni | Hmm. I need to leave too! | 01:31 |
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| Theuni | duun: you might want to ping sm whether he's working on this when he comes back. otherwise *i* would psot a mail to the web list just to find out whether somebody is working on it or now. i personally prefer a little too much communication over too little. | 01:33 |
| Theuni | s/psto/post/ | 01:33 |
| Theuni | s/now/not/ | 01:33 |
| Theuni | off to bed ... | 01:33 |
| duun | good night! | 01:33 |
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| *** sm changes topic to "Zope 3.4.0a1 is out: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.4.0a1 | Zope 3.4 bugs: http://tinyurl.com/yvyeo5 | bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/ | FAQ: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/FAQ | wiki: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3 | paste: http://paste.lisp.org/new/zope3-dev | irc logs: http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs/ | please report remaining wiki unicode errors to sm" | 08:18 | |
| *** sm changes topic to "Zope 3.4.0a1 is out: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3/3.4.0a1 | Zope 3.4 bugs: http://tinyurl.com/yvyeo5 | bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/ | FAQ: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/FAQ | wiki: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3 | paste: http://paste.lisp.org/new/zope3-dev | irc logs: http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs/ | please report wiki unicode errors to sm" | 08:18 | |
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| projekt01 | Good morning | 09:34 |
| timte | morning | 09:35 |
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| Aswin_S | hich should the basic module to start with? | 10:51 |
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| sm | has anyone got a good way to monitor zodb activity, more real-time than control panel ? | 21:21 |
| J1m | I assume you are asking about z3 | 21:21 |
| J1m | sm? | 21:21 |
| sm | sure.. I'd be interested in either | 21:22 |
| sm | perhaps "control panel" doesn't apply here, sorry | 21:22 |
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| J1m | theres zc.z3monitor | 21:22 |
| J1m | which lets you get statistivs about reads, writes and connections. | 21:22 |
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| sm | thanks, that sounds interesting | 21:23 |
| J1m | This is the same info that's available in the zope 2 control panel. | 21:23 |
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| J1m | It's just easier to get to, especiallt when the web server is being unresponsive. | 21:23 |
| sm | exactly.. | 21:23 |
| sm | I have certain habits for dealing with zope, and I'd like to replace them with more efficient procedures/tools | 21:24 |
| J1m | There's also zc.zodbactivitylog, which lets you collect statistics and analize them. | 21:24 |
| J1m | There's also zc.zservertracelog, which gives you a zope 2-style trace log. | 21:25 |
| J1m | I often find this useful. | 21:25 |
| sm | I used that a lot recently, it's been great | 21:25 |
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| J1m | It is also more complete than the traditional zope 2 style trace log. | 21:25 |
| sm | aha | 21:26 |
| J1m | The standard zope 2 trace log is missing an important event. | 21:26 |
| sm | oh.. which one ? | 21:26 |
| J1m | It doesn't log when an app thread has started a request. | 21:26 |
| J1m | so you can't distinguish between requests that are taking a long time and requests that are just waiting their turn. | 21:27 |
| sm | have you tried using splunk or such tools to browse and analyze logs ? | 21:27 |
| J1m | no | 21:28 |
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| sm | I got emacs to show me apache's access log with slow requests highlighted in red.. quite useful | 21:28 |
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| J1m | sm, I wonder how it knows which requests are slow if you have multiple threads. | 21:29 |
| J1m | The normal apache logs don't show request times. | 21:29 |
| J1m | Just completion times. | 21:29 |
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| sm | right, I customized the log format.. apache can tell you how long it's requests take | 21:30 |
| sm | before that I was getting the info from trace.log, but the apache way is realtime | 21:30 |
| J1m | How is the apache log more real time than the trace log? | 21:31 |
| sm | well, to see request durations, I have to process it with requestprofiler, no ? | 21:31 |
| J1m | well, you have to use some kind of tool. | 21:32 |
| sm | to see them clearly at least | 21:32 |
| J1m | I never found requestprofiler useful. | 21:32 |
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| J1m | My tracelog report script can be fed a tail of the trace log as input. | 21:33 |
| sm | ah, nice | 21:33 |
| J1m | tail -f | 21:33 |
| sm | is that online somewhere ? | 21:33 |
| J1m | It's in zc.zservertracelog. | 21:33 |
| sm | ok | 21:33 |
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