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| pbugni | y'all have any advice on zcml validation? | 01:29 |
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| pbugni | or better - explain to me why restarting zope w/ an invalid zcml file in place doesn't produce errors? | 01:31 |
| pbugni | oh great - user error. nm | 01:31 |
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| oferw | b52GM: me too | 02:15 |
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| zenwryly | ne1 know of anything out there for using z3 shemata with tabular data sources like CSV? Specifically I'd love to get the really transparent schema based validation and invariants provided by something like formlib | 02:50 |
| zenwryly | or perhaps a way to tailor formlib for a non-UI purpose like this? | 02:50 |
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| J1m | zenwryly, It should be easy enough to use the schema directly. | 03:08 |
| zenwryly | J1m: yeah, I suppose so, just being lazy | 03:10 |
| zenwryly | J1m: I'm realizing that formlib does exaclty what I need with the exception that instead of a HTTP request, I have a CSV file or row | 03:10 |
| zenwryly | right now I'm looking to see how hard it would be to divorce formlib from HTML | 03:11 |
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| baijum | Hi J1m | 13:04 |
| J1m | Hi | 13:05 |
| * baijum just curious about rationale behind branches/dev for new packages in svn | 13:05 | |
| J1m | It's a bit of an experiment. | 13:06 |
| J1m | The idea is that trunk implies some level of stability. | 13:06 |
| J1m | So I like to start on branches/dev and copy to trunk when I think something is stable or at least has adequate tests. | 13:07 |
| J1m | Really more the later. | 13:07 |
| baijum | Thanks J1m, It looks like a good idea ... or more a good convention for new projects | 13:09 |
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| Theuni | J1m: I found the source of the "infinite" loop finally | 13:13 |
| J1m | Oh? | 13:13 |
| Theuni | Your update that gives the dependency try is the guilty one | 13:13 |
| Theuni | It's not infinite | 13:13 |
| Theuni | it's just a complexity that is way too high | 13:13 |
| J1m | The "dependency try"? | 13:13 |
| Theuni | s/try/tree/ | 13:13 |
| Theuni | The zope.* packages cause a 100**100 complexity | 13:14 |
| Theuni | which takes a while | 13:14 |
| Theuni | My proposal is to limit the dependency depth to only 2 levels | 13:14 |
| Theuni | after that the tree becomes unusable anyway | 13:14 |
| J1m | I don't think I agree. | 13:15 |
| * Theuni listens | 13:15 | |
| J1m | All it does is start with a problem requirement and look at the tree of distros in the working set that require it, recursively. | 13:15 |
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| J1m | I'll need to look at why this is taking a long time, but right now I'm bogged down in Blobs. | 13:16 |
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| J1m | I think if the tree is too large, that may reflect a problem that it would be good to reveal even if it takes a long time. | 13:16 |
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| Theuni | Well, it makes testing the zope.* packages impossible right now | 13:17 |
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| J1m | I don't understand why this would have anything to do with whether buildout is installed in the system Python. | 13:17 |
| J1m | If you want me to focus on this rather than Blobs, I can. | 13:17 |
| Theuni | It doesn't. I think that was a weird side-effect of which version was around that I oversaw. | 13:17 |
| J1m | Maybe we should use ZODB 3.7 for Zope 3.4 to give us more time to deal with Blobs. | 13:18 |
| Theuni | Did ZODB 3.8 introduce doom() ? | 13:19 |
| J1m | I don't know. | 13:19 |
| Theuni | I think it did. | 13:19 |
| Theuni | Because that's wired up in quite a couple of places of Zope 3.4 code already. | 13:19 |
| Theuni | I've got to go join the others for lunch. | 13:20 |
| Theuni | I'll be back in half an hour or so | 13:20 |
| J1m | Theuni, is there a buildout I can check out to reproduce the buildout problem? | 13:20 |
| Theuni | zope.app.applicationcontrol | 13:21 |
| J1m | Could you add that to the launchpad bug report? | 13:21 |
| Theuni | make sure it doesn't pick up the 3.4 eggs | 13:21 |
| Theuni | yup | 13:21 |
| Theuni | my buildout cache happened to spoil this a couple of times | 13:22 |
| J1m | spoil it how? | 13:22 |
| Theuni | the eggs that were available in the cache were considered although the index where they came from wasn't in the find-links list | 13:23 |
| J1m | The analysis only uses distros in the working set. | 13:24 |
| Theuni | right, but the error is triggered by the old 3.3 packages that want the zope.app egg | 13:25 |
| Theuni | if you get the 3.4 packages then the missingdistribution isn't triggered | 13:25 |
| Theuni | ok, gone to lunch now | 13:25 |
| baijum | Output of sys.exc_info() is different in Python 2.4 and 2.5, this breaks some tests in zope.testing, zope.configuration etc. | 13:29 |
| baijum | Here is an example: | 13:29 |
| baijum | import sys | 13:29 |
| baijum | try: | 13:29 |
| baijum | raise Exception("test") | 13:29 |
| baijum | except: | 13:29 |
| baijum | t, v, tb = sys.exc_info() | 13:29 |
| baijum | print t | 13:29 |
| baijum | #In 2.4: exceptions.Exception | 13:30 |
| baijum | #In 2.5: <type 'exceptions.Exception'> | 13:30 |
| baijum | How to tackle this problem ? can I change it to use t.__name__ ('Exception' in both case) ? | 13:30 |
| baijum | or what abou making the newer versions of package only support 2.5 ? | 13:30 |
| J1m | That's a good question. | 13:30 |
| J1m | I hate to fork zope.testing for something like this. | 13:30 |
| J1m | I haven't had time to think about this. | 13:30 |
| J1m | I normally address this sort of problem with RENormalizer. | 13:31 |
| J1m | That gets rather tedious. | 13:32 |
| baijum | J1m, can you point me an example of RENormalizer ? | 13:34 |
| J1m | The test runner tests use it extensively. :) | 13:34 |
| J1m | So to the buildout tests. | 13:35 |
| baijum | ah, ok I will look into that. thanks | 13:35 |
| J1m | The doc strings in zope.testing.renormalizing give examples. | 13:35 |
| J1m | Some day, it would be nice to pull those out into a renormalizing.txt. | 13:36 |
| J1m | Those were written during the transition to text files. | 13:36 |
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| Theuni | re | 14:24 |
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| projekt01 | baijum, is the zissue repos at berlios still alive? | 16:17 |
| baijum | projekt01, nope | 16:17 |
| projekt01 | Do you have another good sample? | 16:18 |
| baijum | "good sample" for ? | 16:18 |
| projekt01 | learn z3 | 16:18 |
| projekt01 | A friend of mine is looking for samples, how to etc. and asked me for sources | 16:19 |
| baijum | one minute.. | 16:19 |
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| baijum | projekt01, I think this is a working one; http://codespeak.net/svn/z3/zopeweb/trunk/content/documentation/z3tut/collector/ | 16:20 |
| projekt01 | baijum, thanks a lot | 16:20 |
| baijum | np | 16:20 |
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| romanofski | moin | 17:03 |
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| SteveA | Theuni: hi | 17:40 |
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| nxf | Hi, "make check" of Zope 3.3.1 gives me 1 error. How do I get more info about this error? | 18:21 |
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| Theuni | what's the error? :) | 18:27 |
| nxf | Exactly, that's what I want to know :) It just says "Ran 8148 tests with 1 failures and 1 errors in 300.402 seconds." | 18:27 |
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| nxf | Any verbose switch? | 18:30 |
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| mgedmin | huh? | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | it should have printed the two tracebacks above that line | 18:44 |
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| nxf | Ah... I'm so sorry. I just didn't see it because the window full of dots. Somehow I assumed errors to be cached and thrown at the bottom. | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | it used to do both | 18:57 |
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| mgedmin | now I think it shows only the one by default, and the second one at some high verbosity level | 18:58 |
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| nxf | ok, thanks, need to remember that | 19:02 |
| nxf | leaving for home, bye | 19:03 |
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| RedDevils | ok | 20:36 |
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| CrippsFX | man, that World Cookery book is great. | 20:54 |
| pbugni | +1 | 20:55 |
| CrippsFX | :D | 20:55 |
| CrippsFX | I started reading it on friday and I'm on ch. 15 right now. | 20:56 |
| CrippsFX | Imma go through it a second time, developing my site on the way through. | 20:56 |
| pbugni | whoa! you're eating that thing up! way to dense (or maybe it's life's distractions...) for me to race through at such a rate | 20:57 |
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| CrippsFX | well, part of it is that I'm being paid to read it ;) ... 7 hour work day, no more development until I finish it the first time :P | 20:58 |
| WebMaven_ | CrippsFX: cool job. | 21:00 |
| CrippsFX | WebMaven_: you're telling me. :) | 21:00 |
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| CrippsFX | hm ... I thought I disconnected as acripps__ .... | 21:03 |
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| CrippsFX | there we go. | 21:04 |
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| pbugni | seriously! who's the employer :) | 21:17 |
| CrippsFX | no one you'd be interested in ... I'm still only making $9.50/hour :P | 21:19 |
| CrippsFX | I work for the housing department of Memorial UNiversity of Newfoundland | 21:19 |
| pbugni | lol - i'm not looking, just wanted to give credit to an institution who recognized the need to invest time in training | 21:20 |
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| CrippsFX | Pretty much the big boss said "Here's the project, do what you need to do," so the project leader chose the framework, and now we're all learning so that we can do things well. We started off w/ very little training, and things sort of worked, but then we started to read the worldcookery book, and the project leader decided we'd scrap what we had, read the book and re-do everything ... | 21:22 |
| CrippsFX | .. after we're done the bo0ok it should only take a few days to get back to where we were anyways. | 21:22 |
| CrippsFX | (the project leader is xbeanx, so, give him kudos ;) | 21:23 |
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| sm | cool.. go CrippsFX, xbeanx | 21:42 |
| sm | did you look at grok yet ? | 21:42 |
| CrippsFX | Personally, I haven't. | 21:45 |
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| sm | have you used the zope3 wiki much ? any comments on it ? | 21:48 |
| CrippsFX | Zope3 wiki is pretty useful, there's lots of good stuff on it ... unfortunately for folks who start off with no clue, I think it leads to doing stuff in a way that's not very zope-3 like | 21:49 |
| CrippsFX | I'm in the middle of the world cookery book, and looking back on a lot of my code makes me shidder. | 21:50 |
| CrippsFX | *shudder | 21:50 |
| sm | do you mean a lot of the stuff in the wiki is out of date ? | 21:50 |
| xbeanx | I read most of the Zope 3 wiki.... By the time I got to the end I realized I couldn't remember the first 3/4s of what I read | 21:50 |
| CrippsFX | I used it mostly as a reference for doing specific tasks than I did for any of the totorials. | 21:52 |
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| sm | I was thinking it's time the zope3 wiki officially targetted zope3 users too | 21:52 |
| CrippsFX | *tutorials. | 21:52 |
| CrippsFX | too? | 21:52 |
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| sm | it has always been primarily focussed on the development of zope3 itself | 21:53 |
| sm | it has a big mixture of content now | 21:53 |
| xbeanx | I noticed that, however it is still a very useful resource for users | 21:55 |
| sm | yes indeed | 21:55 |
| sm | it's the only resource for users, afaik | 21:55 |
| sm | aside from the worldcookery site, probably | 21:55 |
| sm | so I think it could be better organized now by audience like http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 | 21:55 |
| CrippsFX | yeah, I think users need a bit more in the way of resources. | 21:56 |
| xbeanx | The worldcookery book is a good resource too.. | 21:56 |
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| CrippsFX | oh, heck yes. | 21:57 |
| sm | absolutely | 21:57 |
| sm | so, another alternative is to point all users there exclusively | 21:57 |
| sm | but that's probably not best | 21:58 |
| xbeanx | the site is not of much help....the book is the best spot.... its pricey though | 21:58 |
| sm | ah | 21:58 |
| xbeanx | There are a few good tutorials out there, but they're really basic. | 21:58 |
| * sm is talking only about free online docs, here | 21:58 | |
| CrippsFX | sm: I'm totally thinking that as I/we get to know zope better here, we could probably write a tutorial here and there to help out with that. | 21:59 |
| sm | great | 22:00 |
| sm | that's important, though actually I think maintaining docs is more urgent than generating them | 22:01 |
| sm | gathering, updating, cleaning out the old etc | 22:02 |
| sm | all: I do think we should start to organize the z3 wiki a bit more to make it user- and app developer- as well as framework developer-friendly - comments welcome | 22:05 |
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| WebMaven_ | Does anyone have advice on creating a site deployment recipe for making a Zope instance that has a custom skin? | 22:21 |
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| CrippsFX | WebMaven: worldcookery :P | 22:21 |
| WebMaven | Sorry, I should have been more specific: a zc.buildout recipe | 22:22 |
| CrippsFX | sm: comments: good idea. I don't have that much time to offer currently, between work and kernel hacking, but Imma see what my boss will let me get away with at work *coughs xbeanx coughs* | 22:22 |
| CrippsFX | WebMaven: in which case, I don't know ... yet ;) | 22:22 |
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| WebMaven | sm: Simon, what about you? | 22:23 |
| sm | afraid not WebMaven.. I don't know z3 well | 22:24 |
| WebMaven | OK. | 22:25 |
| WebMaven | bbl | 22:25 |
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| * benji wonders what it means for Zope 3 to be user-friendly. | 22:34 | |
| sm | zope 3's users are web app developers, so it means making life easy for those people I guess | 22:36 |
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| benji | make sense; and "developer-friendly" means "zope-3-contributor-friendly"; it'd be nice if those two groups converged over time | 22:45 |
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| sm | I see, I spoke about user-friendly, app developer-friendly, and framework developer-friendly | 22:48 |
| sm | when I said that I was thinking of zope developers, application(/site) developers, system administrators, and users (<- people who use zope 3 sites/apps). The latter we don't need to worry about now, and perhaps never | 22:50 |
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| benji | yep | 23:01 |
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