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| zenwryly | Has no one yet written a ComponentLookupError debugging tool? | 02:41 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 10:23 |
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| Theuni_ | J1m: ping. I'm finishing up my ZODB presentation for the Linuxtag and noticed that I lost all notes from the ZODB BoF at pycon, do you remember some of the larger issues/goals we discussed there for the future? | 13:40 |
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| CrippsFX | morning folks. | 14:43 |
| CrippsFX | 50 cents goes to whoever can find me a cigarette ... | 14:43 |
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| rocky | Theuni_: hey what's the status on RefreshNG these days? | 14:59 |
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| Theuni_ | people are working with it | 14:59 |
| Theuni_ | i got a few bug reports in the last days | 14:59 |
| Theuni_ | and gotta find some time to fix them | 14:59 |
| rocky | i'm trying to see how to get access to the versioned code... does it use bazaar or something? | 15:00 |
| Theuni_ | jup. bzr. | 15:00 |
| rocky | don't suppose there's a page some place explaining how to check it out? | 15:02 |
| Theuni_ | you should be able to use "bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~refreshng-dev/refreshng/dev" | 15:02 |
| * rocky is looking through the launchpad site but so far come up empty) | 15:02 | |
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| Theuni_ | if you look at this page: https://code.launchpad.net/~refreshng-dev/refreshng/dev | 15:02 |
| Theuni_ | it tells you what the bazaar url is | 15:02 |
| Theuni_ | it doesn't explain how to retrieve a copy though | 15:02 |
| rocky | right | 15:02 |
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| rocky | not a branch it says | 15:03 |
| Theuni_ | humm? | 15:04 |
| * Theuni_ tries | 15:04 | |
| Theuni_ | ah | 15:04 |
| Theuni_ | you need to give a target parameter | 15:04 |
| Theuni_ | try "bzr pull XXX RefreshNG" | 15:05 |
| rocky | actually i think i need to setup bzr more than i have | 15:05 |
| Theuni_ | nah | 15:05 |
| Theuni_ | wtf | 15:05 |
| Theuni_ | my mistake | 15:05 |
| Theuni_ | you have to branch it first | 15:05 |
| Theuni_ | "bzr branch XXX RefreshNG" | 15:05 |
| rocky | branch it locally i assume? | 15:05 |
| Theuni_ | right | 15:05 |
| rocky | i only know about this because of my experience with svk | 15:06 |
| Theuni_ | then you can get upstream updates via `bzr pull` inside | 15:06 |
| rocky | talk about high barrier of entryi for people who only know svn/cvs ;) | 15:06 |
| Theuni_ | you could also do `bzr co` but then you can't do local checkins | 15:06 |
| Theuni_ | Well, I took RefreshNG as a project to try out bzr :) | 15:07 |
| rocky | oh i'm not blaming you or RefreshNG ;) | 15:07 |
| rocky | just seems like launchpad should connect the dots a bit better ;) | 15:07 |
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| rocky | Theuni_: i don't suppose you've tried the svn plugin for bzr ? | 15:14 |
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| Theuni_ | rocky: nope. | 15:20 |
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| CrippsFX | 'morgen philiKON. Wie geht's? | 15:47 |
| philiKON | gut, danke | 15:48 |
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| CrippsFX | =) | 15:49 |
| * rocky is having fun with Bazaar -> svn repo | 15:49 | |
| rocky | philiKON: you still use svk ? | 15:49 |
| philiKON | yeah | 15:50 |
| rocky | philiKON: you tried bzr yet? | 15:50 |
| philiKON | nope | 15:50 |
| philiKON | wanted to, though | 15:50 |
| * benji likes bzr, but hasn't really used it in anger | 15:50 | |
| CrippsFX | oh, good morning Benji. | 15:51 |
| rocky | bzr is a full alternative to svn (whereas svk is on top of svn) ... but right now i'm playing with the bzr-svn plugin which lets you interface with svn repos which effectively makes bzr behave very close to svk, at least functionality-wise | 15:51 |
| rocky | but... svk is written in perl, bzr is writtein in python :) | 15:51 |
| * CrippsFX thinks bzr gets +1 in his books | 15:52 | |
| rocky | http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Subversion | 15:53 |
| rocky | lets you do bzr merge, pull, push, etc against an svn repo | 15:53 |
| rocky | bzr is a little less strict than svk tho... with svk you need to have a full "repo" iniitalized in ~/.svk | 15:53 |
| rocky | with bzr you simply check out and/or branch a remote project into some local dir like you would with svn | 15:53 |
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| CrippsFX | benji: I know what you were saying yesterday about making a branch of the external (repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3/) ... but I'm having issues trying to make a branch of it ... something having to do with the fact that I can't make a branch in repos/main/Zope/branches from repos/main/Zope3/branches ... nore can I make a branch in repos/main/Zope3/branches from repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3/ | 15:54 |
| benji | CrippsFX: what command are you running? | 15:55 |
| CrippsFX | benji: svn copy -m"Making Zope 3.3 branch for viewlet dev." svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3/src/zope/viewletsvn+ssh://acripps@svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3/acripps-new_Viewlet_Directive | 15:57 |
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| CrippsFX | svn copy -m"Making Zope 3.3 branch for viewlet dev."svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3/ svn+ssh://acripps@svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/acripps-new_Viewlet_Directive also isn't working for me. | 15:58 |
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| benji | try using a svn+ssh URL for the source of the copy (don't know if it matters, but have never tried it without) | 16:02 |
| CrippsFX | kk. | 16:03 |
| benji | oh, and your target doesn't need "3.3/" in it, just do .../branches/acripps-new... | 16:03 |
| CrippsFX | I'm about to paste 4 lines: | 16:05 |
| CrippsFX | [acripps@shcherbakov zope]$ svn copy -m"Making Zope 3.3 branch for viewlet dev." svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3/ svn+ssh://acripps@svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/acripps-new_Viewlet_Directive | 16:05 |
| CrippsFX | svn: Source and dest appear not to be in the same repository (src: 'svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/3.3'; dst: 'svn+ssh://acripps@svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/acripps-new_Viewlet_Directive') | 16:05 |
| CrippsFX | er ... 2 lines ;) | 16:05 |
| CrippsFX | it's better, but now bitching to me about being in different repos. | 16:06 |
| CrippsFX | oh .. acripps@ | 16:06 |
| CrippsFX | there we go. | 16:06 |
| CrippsFX | thanks benji. | 16:06 |
| benji | np | 16:07 |
| CrippsFX | how often does the 3.3 branch get merged with trunk? | 16:07 |
| CrippsFX | or does trunk get updated ... | 16:07 |
| J1m | Theuni_, nope. BTW. we should touch base on Blobs. | 16:08 |
| benji | any time someone fixes a bug they should fix it in all supported versions (backporting or forwardporting from whereever they did the actual work) | 16:09 |
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| CrippsFX | I see. So anytime something is done, and that something is stable, the work has to be committed to stable, testing, and dev releases then? | 16:10 |
| CrippsFX | (devs are responsible for their own respective dev releases ...) | 16:10 |
| benji | that jargon isn't usually used with respect to Z3, but I suspect I know what you mean, and you're right except that I'm not sure what you mean by a "dev" release | 16:12 |
| CrippsFX | dev ... all the branches should have the changes applied, but their developers are responsible for that .... | 16:12 |
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| benji | yep | 16:17 |
| CrippsFX | kk. cool. | 16:17 |
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| CrippsFX | w00t! | 16:41 |
| CrippsFX | I have finally submitted that bleeding directive ... now I just need to test it and write docs :) | 16:41 |
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| exarkun | does this seem unfortunate to anyone else? http://rafb.net/p/SL410A94.html | 23:26 |
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| nerdalert | not really | 23:26 |
| nerdalert | *args and **kwargs are different things | 23:27 |
| exarkun | hm. will that object verify if I change the interface to take *params? | 23:27 |
| exarkun | oh | 23:27 |
| exarkun | or will it verify if I give x and y defaults? | 23:27 |
| nerdalert | both are good ideas | 23:27 |
| nerdalert | I think the *params thing seems like what you wanted though | 23:28 |
| benji | exarkun: I suggest people mostly forget that verifyObject exists, especially if it's giving you problems. | 23:28 |
| * benji looks for his Men in Black flashy thing to use on #zope3-dev. | 23:28 | |
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| exarkun | benji: but I only just started using it today :( | 23:29 |
| exarkun | I could forget about it, yea. It was kind of handy for a while. I thought my integration testing problems were, well, not over, but lessened slightly. | 23:30 |
| nerdalert | benji: why don't you deprecate it then? | 23:30 |
| nerdalert | nvm. it's probably used all over the place by other parts of the component arch | 23:31 |
| * nerdalert needs to learn to think before typing. | 23:31 | |
| benji | Actually, I doubt it's used much in "real" code (just test code); which is fine, using it to "smell" an object in a test to make sure things are as you want is a good use of it, but I don't know of a sane use for it otherwise | 23:32 |
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| exarkun | That's basically the only use I've been putting it to | 23:33 |
| exarkun | But I guess I can't use it here | 23:34 |
| exarkun | I don't want this function to have default values and I don't want the args to be positional. Oh well. | 23:34 |
| benji | cool; in that case if it's not working for you (and asuming it's not a bug), then if you don't see an obvious enhancement to make, do something else :) | 23:35 |
| nerdalert | why's it a problem for them to be positional? | 23:35 |
| nerdalert | that sounds like pretty solid advice | 23:36 |
| benji | oh, you want that Python 3000 PEP for being able to specify required keywordyness | 23:36 |
| exarkun | nerdalert: It's okay for them to be positional in the implementation. But they will always be passed by keyword, and it seems like the interface should reflect that (the names are half the info). | 23:37 |
| benji | nerdalert: it might be solid advice for every percieved misbehavior in all software <wink> | 23:37 |
| nerdalert | benji: so.... I should never write code that works but write a lot of it? | 23:38 |
| benji | exarkun: also, anything for which there isn't syntax to specify something in an interface, you can use English prose prefixed with the special "invariant indicator": # | 23:38 |
| benji | nerdalert: if that's what I said, then I'm sticking to it | 23:38 |
| nerdalert | hee hee | 23:38 |
| exarkun | :P | 23:38 |
| exarkun | benji: You are inspiring me to submit a refinement calculus-based enhancement to verifyObject. | 23:39 |
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| exarkun | thanks for the help | 23:50 |
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