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| tjs | hey, I'm just getting into zope3 at a new job, I had a couple of questions I couldnt find answers for in the docs | 07:19 |
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| tjs | if 'global' utilities are singletons, it seems to me that they would need to be threadsafe | 07:20 |
| tjs | but it seems that thread safety of utilities is not something thats really mentioned | 07:21 |
| tjs | are they not actually singleton? perhaps spawned per thread? | 07:21 |
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| ccomb | Hello | 15:08 |
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| ccomb | ping -b anybody | 15:08 |
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| ccomb | Could someone make a very simple test ? | 15:10 |
| ccomb | Just upload a simple "Image" object at the root of your instance, and tell me how long it takes ? | 15:11 |
| ccomb | On my (quite fast) laptop, it takes 20s for a 1.7MB jpeg | 15:12 |
| ccomb | And on an older machine, 1.5min for a 1.5MB jpeg !! | 15:12 |
| ccomb | Where is the pb? | 15:12 |
| mgedmin | ccomb: ICMP ECHO | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | err, I mean ICMP ECHO REPLY, of course | 15:13 |
| ccomb | :) | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | which version of Zope? | 15:14 |
| ccomb | 3.3.0 on Debian stable | 15:14 |
| ccomb | and 3.3.1 on Debian unstable | 15:14 |
| ccomb | same result | 15:14 |
| * mgedmin still cleaning dust off his z3 instance | 15:18 | |
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| mgedmin | adding a 1.4 meg jpeg Image to z3 trunk on localhost was essentially instant | 15:20 |
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| mgedmin | 1.6 GHz Pentium M laptop | 15:20 |
| mgedmin | Ubuntu Feisty | 15:20 |
| ccomb | weird | 15:20 |
| ccomb | How can I investigate this? | 15:20 |
| d2m | ccomb: check the DNS functionality first | 15:21 |
| mgedmin | check with vmstat/gnome-system-monitor whether it's the CPU, or disk I/O, or what that's the bottleneck | 15:22 |
| d2m | ccomb: resolving a missing dns server needs 5 seconds when opening or closing a connection | 15:22 |
| ccomb | runzope is 100% cpu | 15:22 |
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| ccomb | d2m: I'm using local ip addresses, no name | 15:24 |
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| * ccomb rebooting under Dapper just to check | 15:31 | |
| ccomb | Is there anyone on Debian here ? | 15:33 |
| dennis_ | yeah | 15:34 |
| dennis_ | file upload is fine | 15:34 |
| ccomb | good news and bad news at the same time :) | 15:34 |
| dennis_ | sorry :) | 15:34 |
| dennis_ | (mind you probably not exactly same zope version as you have) | 15:35 |
| ccomb | dennis_: Etch? Sid? | 15:38 |
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| ccomb | Just tried in Edgy, and this is broken because of the readline stuff... | 15:43 |
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| dennis_ | etch | 16:05 |
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| timte | ccomb: are you using 3.3.0? | 16:06 |
| ccomb | 3.3.0 and 3.3.1 | 16:06 |
| timte | I'm not sure, but I think it's fixed in 3.3.1 | 16:07 |
| ccomb | what is fixed? | 16:07 |
| timte | readline problem | 16:08 |
| ccomb | I've tried strace on runzope, and it's repeating 5000x this : http://pastebin.ca/566422 | 16:08 |
| Cripps | good morning .......ladies. | 16:09 |
| ccomb | the readline problem causes an error in zope. Here there is no error | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | ccomb: are you using twisted or zserver? | 16:10 |
| ccomb | dunno, default config | 16:10 |
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| Cripps | heh, I couldn't get Zope to work using the default Debian config ... so I just compiled and installed python and zope myself :) | 16:17 |
| ccomb | The only problem I've had is the readline / py2.4.4 | 16:19 |
| ccomb | It seems the default is twisted, so I'm using twisted. I'll try to create an instance with zserver | 16:19 |
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| timte | ccomb: did you try using 3.3.1 instead? | 16:22 |
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| ccomb | I'm using 3.3.1 | 16:22 |
| timte | oh | 16:22 |
| ccomb | I've just tried the same on Etch/3.3.0, with zserver | 16:23 |
| ccomb | and I get the readline error | 16:23 |
| timte | are you using 2.4.4c2 or some strange version? | 16:23 |
| ccomb | I think I've lost much time again because of this thing | 16:23 |
| ccomb | 2.4.4-2 | 16:24 |
| ccomb | I thought it was fixed in unstable. It is reported as such | 16:24 |
| timte | this bug is in the bug archive so check there | 16:25 |
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| ccomb | OK I've come back to unstable with 3.3.1 | 16:31 |
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| ccomb | Now, an instance created with --zserver is OK, file upload is fast | 16:31 |
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| ccomb | but with the default Twisted server, this is veeery slooww | 16:36 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | I though I was using the twisted server | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | what's in your zope.conf? | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | mine has <server> type HTTP ... | 16:41 |
| ccomb | the choice twisted/zserver is in zope.conf ? | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | I think that's how you choose between zserver and twisted: by specifying a different server type | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | or am I wrong? | 16:42 |
| philiKON | sorta | 16:42 |
| ccomb | I'm choosing from the command line when creating the instance | 16:42 |
| philiKON | it actually has more to do with the runzope or zopectl start script | 16:42 |
| philiKON | they specify which server is run | 16:42 |
| projekt01 | mgedmin, does in not only depend on if you have the twisted package installed? | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | oh, right, that | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | my z3.py sais | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | says even | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | from zope.app.twisted.main import main | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | so I have twisted, and file uploads are fast for me | 16:43 |
| projekt01 | btw, I fixed the large fileupload some days ago, it was using StringIO everytime and didn't use temp files for large files. This was crashing Zope3 for files over 500MB. | 16:45 |
| projekt01 | probably the new usage of temp files is slower | 16:45 |
| ccomb | I could revert back to zserver by default, but I would prefer to find what the real problem with twisted is | 16:47 |
| ccomb | Last month I could not upload more than 40KB, now I can but it's unusable | 16:49 |
| ccomb | (twisted 2.4 → 2.5) | 16:50 |
| dennis_ | you can upload through a browser more than 500 MB ? | 16:51 |
| ccomb | I'm talking about a single megabyte, not several hundreds :) | 16:52 |
| projekt01 | ccomb, what are you doing? | 16:52 |
| ccomb | trying to upload a 1,7MB jpeg image on a fresh instance of 3.3.1 with twisted by default | 16:53 |
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| ccomb | with zserver it's OK. With twisted it takes 20s on a fast machine | 16:53 |
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| projekt01 | ccomb, that's not a problem on my (win) machine, I'm using the trunk form today. | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | it's also not a problem on my ubuntu machine, also using the twisted server | 16:55 |
| dennis_ | ccomb can you make a wireshark dump or such, see if the data gets sent equally fast, or if there is f.e. a 19.9 second handshake and then 0.1 second transfer | 16:55 |
| ccomb | dennis_: I've not used wireshark often, but I'm seeing the following | 17:00 |
| ccomb | nothing appears during the 19.9 first seconds, then everything happens during 0.1s | 17:01 |
| dennis_ | do you have tcpdump installed? | 17:01 |
| dennis_ | (just try to run it without arguments as roo) | 17:01 |
| dennis_ | t | 17:01 |
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| dennis_ | although could be other things too of course | 17:02 |
| dennis_ | try zope 3.4.01a :) | 17:02 |
| ccomb | I will end up using 3.4 soon because I need blobs, but I don't want it yet | 17:03 |
| ccomb | OK I've captured the traffic with "tcpdump -i lo" | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | the strace bit ccomb pasted was interesting | 17:05 |
| ccomb | during most of the time, nothing happens | 17:05 |
| ccomb | in the network | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | seems as if twisted is reading the jpeg data one byte at a time, and mucking with thread locks in between | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | it might be more interesting if you ran strace with -r to see the relative delays between syscalls | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | and with -c to get a summary | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | perhaps do it once with twisted, do it once with zserver, then compare the totals | 17:07 |
| * ccomb trying to get the strace results | 17:09 | |
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| ccomb | with twisted : http://pastebin.ca/566530 | 17:12 |
| ccomb | it tells 0.07s, but it took more than 15s | 17:15 |
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| ccomb | With zserver : http://pastebin.ca/566541 | 17:18 |
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| Cripps | dammit ... I remember asking this before, but I can't remember the answer ... how do I delete a 'broken' object from the ZODB ? | 18:02 |
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| Cripps | hey benji. | 18:03 |
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| benji | hey | 18:03 |
| Cripps | 'sup? | 18:04 |
| benji | nothing much | 18:04 |
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| Cripps | lucky you ;) | 18:05 |
| Cripps | hey paul | 18:05 |
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| Cripps | can anyone think of any reason why the configure.zcml of a package that is included is not being read? | 21:27 |
| Cripps | I have a package called ship, and there is a ship-configure.zcml in my zope instance's etc/packge-config directory ... the ship directory is located in zope/lib/python ... I have a configure.zcml in the ship directory, and I purposely put syntax errors in there to get bin/runzope to complain to me ... but, it doesn't complain. | 21:29 |
| philiKON | what does the ship-configure.zcml file say? | 21:29 |
| Cripps | <include package="ship"/> | 21:30 |
| philiKON | that looks alright | 21:31 |
| philiKON | what happens when you do bin/debugzope | 21:31 |
| Cripps | yeah ... looks fine to me too ... which is why I'm stumped :/ | 21:31 |
| philiKON | and try to import ship | 21:31 |
| philiKON | are you getting the right ship package in that case? | 21:31 |
| Cripps | there's only one ship package ... and it appears to do everything without complaining. | 21:31 |
| philiKON | weird | 21:32 |
| philiKON | well, i gotta go, sorry mate | 21:32 |
| philiKON | good luck | 21:32 |
| Cripps | kk. thanks. | 21:33 |
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| dennis_ | cripps do you have __init__.py in your shop | 21:42 |
| dennis_ | *ship | 21:42 |
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| Cripps | dennis_: sure do. it has one commented out line in it too. | 21:45 |
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| dennis_ | usually when i have something like that, either i put ship-configure.zcml in /etc/ and not in package-.. , or I wrote .zmcl instead of .zcml | 21:47 |
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| Cripps | I'll check that. | 21:48 |
| dennis_ | or misspelt "-configure" :) | 21:48 |
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| Cripps | woo-hoo! errors! sweet success! | 21:52 |
| dennis_ | now you have to admit what it was | 21:52 |
| Cripps | dennis_: I neglected to delete ship-configure.zcml~ when I deleted ship-configure.zcml awhile back ... which means that it wasn't reading the ship-configure.zcml~ | 21:53 |
| * Cripps sighs | 21:53 | |
| Cripps | thanks dennis_ | 21:54 |
| Cripps | whew ... well, it's the end of the work day. Time to go home. ciao! | 21:56 |
| dennis_ | bye cripps | 21:56 |
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