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| pcardune | philiKON_: ok, i'll take a look, thanks | 00:47 |
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| mwhudson | can someone hit me with the "understanding METAL" stick please? | 16:30 |
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| mwhudson | or tell me where to find it... | 16:30 |
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| * benji rifles through his clue stick collection. | 16:34 | |
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| benji | METAL Specification: http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/MetalSpecification11 | 16:35 |
| benji | A Zope2 tutorial, but it still applies: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/ZPT.stx | 16:37 |
| * benji reorganizes his clue stick collection with the Dewey Decimal system. | 16:38 | |
| CSWookie | benji: Dewey decimal system is out man. I angered the femists and the practicing vaudin. | 16:40 |
| CSWookie | s/I/It/ | 16:40 |
| CSWookie | I did too, but I wasn't referring to me, there. | 16:40 |
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| mwhudson | hm, i actually knew what metal was, but not really what it's good for | 17:38 |
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| mgedmin | macros | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | reusing bits of page templates | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | in other page templates (or sometimes in the same one) | 17:44 |
| benji | mwhudson: metal is to templates as functions are to code (more or less) | 17:49 |
| mwhudson | ok | 17:49 |
| mwhudson | so where are the arguments? | 17:49 |
| CSWookie | Mostly less. | 17:49 |
| CSWookie | mwhudson: slots. | 17:49 |
| mwhudson | hm | 17:50 |
| mwhudson | seems fairly heavyweight in some ways | 17:51 |
| CSWookie | benji: Hmmm. | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | or you can use the TALES namespace to pass things to a macro | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | mind that it uses dynamic scoping | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | rather than lexical scoping | 17:51 |
| * mgedmin wants to change test.py to list all failed tests at the end with a single -v, not just with -vv | 17:52 | |
| CSWookie | I was just thingin, could you implement controllable recursion by making the part of the macro that calls itself be in a slot that gets overridden. | 17:52 |
| mwhudson | mgedmin: sounds interesting, not sure i understand though | 17:52 |
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| CSWookie | s/thingin/thinking/ | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | <p metal:define-macro="rant">Hey, did you know that <span tal:replace="os"/> sucks?</p> | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | then later <tal:block define="os string:Windows"><p metal:use-macro="rant" /></tal:block> | 17:53 |
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| mwhudson | mgedmin: i thought i tried something like that and it didn't work | 17:54 |
| mwhudson | i was probably confused though | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | I know I was very confused initially and didn't get macros for a long time | 17:55 |
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| J1m | mgedmin, go for it. | 18:08 |
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| * J1m wants someone to figure out whether or not we can jump on the nose bandwagon w/o loosing functionality. | 18:09 | |
| benji | I'm sure we can't. | 18:10 |
| strichter | J1m: "nose bandwagon"? | 18:10 |
| J1m | Lots of people seem to like nose. | 18:10 |
| benji | I'd bet we could add lost functionality to nose, but I'm not sure it's worth it. | 18:11 |
| J1m | I'd be happy to not maintain a test runner if nose is as good. | 18:11 |
| benji | strichter: it's a test runner. | 18:11 |
| J1m | I don't like being different without a good reason. | 18:11 |
| benji | tell me that next time you say "hysterical" | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | I'd be happy to take over the test runner maintenance | 18:11 |
| J1m | otherwise, I'd like to promote our testrunner so other people use it instead of nose. | 18:12 |
| J1m | mgedmin, you're on! | 18:12 |
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| J1m | otoh, it might be better if you spent time supporting something else and let someone else support test runners. | 18:13 |
| * mgedmin sees a failure in testrunner-layers-api.txt on trunk, something about '--auto-color' in args getting a non-iterable args | 18:14 | |
| benji | grr | 18:14 |
| * benji rips his shirt and throws ashes on himself. | 18:14 | |
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| * mgedmin tells benji not to worry | 18:15 | |
| * mgedmin has a fix | 18:16 | |
| CSWookie | Is that why all of a sudden my tests are showing their pride? | 18:16 |
| CSWookie | We're using an auto-color thing, now? | 18:16 |
| benji | I see a fix too, which of us do you want to apply it? | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | I'm not busy at the moment | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | (waiting for a 20-minute test suite to finish running) | 18:16 |
| benji | CSWookie: your buildout has --auto-color in the default test config | 18:16 |
| benji | mgedmin: thanks | 18:17 |
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| mgedmin | J1m: I'm lately reluctant to take on responsibilities about things I'm not feeling very passionate about | 18:20 |
| mgedmin | burnout sucks :( | 18:20 |
| J1m | Fair enough. | 18:20 |
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| benji | mgedmin: did you generate a distributtion for the fixed zope.testing? If not, I can. | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | ah, no, I don't know how | 18:30 |
| benji | k; I will | 18:31 |
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| junkafarian_ | hi * | 18:58 |
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| junkafarian | im having some trouble with getting my ftp view to work | 18:59 |
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| junkafarian | it keeps returning permission denied | 18:59 |
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| junkafarian | dont spose this crops up often? | 19:02 |
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| mgedmin | hm | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | permission errors are sometimes caused by missing __parent__ references | 19:13 |
| junkafarian | where would they be missing from? | 19:14 |
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| mgedmin | your objects | 19:19 |
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| mgedmin | do you have a traceback in some error log? | 19:20 |
| junkafarian | its not even getting that far | 19:21 |
| junkafarian | i cant seem to log the error anywhere | 19:21 |
| junkafarian | even the request isnt coming up on the server log | 19:21 |
| junkafarian | the contained objects initialise __parent__ with 'None' | 19:22 |
| junkafarian | is that incorrect | 19:22 |
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| junkafarian | it only seems to reject the request if the container contains objects | 19:27 |
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| junkafarian_ | sorry mgedmin shoddy connection | 19:36 |
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| junkafarian_ | does anyone have any other ideas? | 19:46 |
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| mgedmin | junkafarian_: by default the error reporting utility does not log permission errors | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | you can change that by going to the ++etc++site and changing the filter somewhere | 19:52 |
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| benji | mgedmin: if you're looking for more things to colorize <wink>, you could do the output of --coverage; green for 100% coverage, etc. | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | I'll keep that in mind | 21:33 |
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| mgedmin | especially if someone figures out how to shut up those spurious "Not printing coverage data for module <doctest ...>" errors | 21:33 |
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| benji | hmm, I haven't seen those | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | hm, I don't either---now | 21:37 |
| mgedmin | weird | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | oh, I only see them with python 2.5 | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | Not printing coverage data for '<doctest sampletests.test12.test_x0[1]>': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '<doctest sampletests.test12.test_x0[1]>' | 21:39 |
| benji | hmm | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | I remember figthing this with python 2.4, or perhaps even 2.3 | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | it was about a year ago | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | and I filed a python bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429818&group_id=5470&atid=305470 | 21:40 |
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| srichter | benji: did you have a look at z3c.coverage, whcih is Marius' great tool to do coverage reports | 21:41 |
| benji | haven't had the right combination of time and need yet | 21:41 |
| benji | perhaps it could be integrated into the testrunner | 21:42 |
| srichter | you should use it if you care about coverage ;-) | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | hey, I should use it too :-) | 21:42 |
| srichter | testrunner integration: for what I Care, absolutely! | 21:42 |
| srichter | mgedmin: I have to add a recipe for coverage report generation, so it is easier to use for a buildout | 21:43 |
| srichter | right now it is just an entry point | 21:43 |
| srichter | also coverage does not work well with eggs | 21:43 |
| srichter | it does not cover all lines | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | I recently wrote another little script to compare last day's coverage with today's coverage and complain to a mailing list when new untested lines appear | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | I run it nightly with buildbot | 21:44 |
| srichter | ah, cool | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | perhaps I should contribute it to z3c.coverage | 21:44 |
| srichter | yeah, that would be great | 21:44 |
| srichter | man, we really, really need to work more on buildbot, coverage tests, etc for svn.zoep.org packages | 21:45 |
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| mgedmin | srichter: done | 21:52 |
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| faassen | J1m: I have this weird problem debugging eggs all of a sudden. | 23:15 |
| faassen | J1m: in a buildout | 23:15 |
| faassen | J1m: sometimes the eggs unpack themselves into a temporary directory even though they're zip-unsafe. whether that has anything to do with it I don't know, but pdb doesn't know any line numbers anymore when I dive into eggs. | 23:16 |
| faassen | J1m: which makes debugging impossible. | 23:16 |
| faassen | J1m: do you have any clue what could trigger this behavior? we seem to have started this after we switched grokproject over to use zope 3 eggs instead of a classic z3 install. | 23:17 |
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| benji | faassen: I'm not J1m (but I play him on TV); I've always had that problem, if you figure out how you didn't have it before, let me know. :) What I do is delete all the .pyc files and let them get rebuilt with the actual source file locations in them. | 23:24 |
| faassen | benji: hm.. | 23:26 |
| faassen | benji: I didn't have the problem but pehraps because I wasn't using eggs so much (I was using a non-egg install for zope 3) | 23:26 |
| benji | the problem is that setuptools builds the pycs in a temporary directory and then moves them (along with the rest of the files) into the final location | 23:26 |
| faassen | benji: ah, I see. | 23:26 |
| faassen | benji: so you delete all .pyc files where? | 23:27 |
| benji | if you have a shared egg directory, there | 23:27 |
| benji | I don't know where eggs go if you don't have a shared egg directory | 23:27 |
| faassen | benji: okay, any .pyc file you find there. | 23:27 |
| benji | yep | 23:27 |
| * faassen deletes a ton of eggs. | 23:27 | |
| benji | find . -name '*.pyc' | xargs rm | 23:28 |
| faassen | that is, .pyc files. | 23:28 |
| faassen | yeah, I did that. | 23:28 |
| faassen | benji: okay, that did the trick. at least that's a workaround. | 23:28 |
| philiKON | benji: so it's setuptools who's at fault here? | 23:29 |
| faassen | benji: why does setuptools not simply create the .pyc files in place anyway if it's going to move them there anyway? | 23:29 |
| benji | no idea | 23:29 |
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