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| tjs | is IInitIds utility threadsafe? | 09:42 |
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| srichter | tjs: yes, because it uses the object's oid | 10:00 |
| tjs | srichter: cool, thanks | 10:04 |
| tjs | srichter: I'm making a cross-database reference utility | 10:05 |
| tjs | to do zodb->storm relationships | 10:05 |
| tjs | just going to use the iintid util on the zope end | 10:05 |
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| brandon_rhodes | Are there grok people about on this channel, or is grok without an IRC presence at the moment? | 15:34 |
| edgordon | there are grok people here, but i there is usually a grok channel too | 15:35 |
| brandon_rhodes | I see a "grok-ix" channel but that looks like something else ... | 15:37 |
| brandon_rhodes | So: | 15:37 |
| edgordon | i have gotten lots of grok help here | 15:37 |
| brandon_rhodes | Actually, now that I'm waking up, I realize this is a Zope 3 question. So: with a template I know how to use "object/attribute" in an expression to do "object.attribute" in the Python behind it. | 15:38 |
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| brandon_rhodes | But: what about when I want to adapt an object? Maybe for a particular panel of my web page, I need to adapt the context to be an ISomething object so that I can display it using information I grab from an ISomething interface. | 15:39 |
| brandon_rhodes | Does the TAL template language (or the expression engine?) allow one to ask for an object to be adapted? | 15:39 |
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| edgordon | seems like adaptation is way outside of what zpt should be doing | 15:41 |
| ignas | brandon_rhodes: hmm i can see 20 users in #grok | 15:41 |
| edgordon | anyone have any tips on setting up a 'clean' python install for zopeproject development in osx? just curious as to what python you use and where you installed it. | 15:43 |
| brandon_rhodes | edgordon: well, perhaps I mean calling a function on something. I guess TAL wouldn't actually know it was adaptation! But just like "a/b" means "a.b", or, more precisely, it means "getattr(a,b)", I wondered if there were some syntax like "a:b" to have a function call "a(b)" happen in the background. | 15:43 |
| ignas | brandon_rhodes: it is possible | 15:43 |
| ignas | but a bit more complicated | 15:43 |
| ignas | you can't have all your functions available | 15:43 |
| ignas | but you can register some things | 15:44 |
| brandon_rhodes | ignas: you're right... #grok is appearing in my "Channel Search" list now! | 15:44 |
| ignas | and have it like "person/can_acces:title" for example | 15:44 |
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| brandon_rhodes | ignas: is there a section of the docs I've missed that describes that? | 15:45 |
| ignas | no idea, haven't seen docs for more than 2 years | 15:45 |
| ignas | i can point you at some source code though ;) | 15:45 |
| ignas | non grok sourcecode though | 15:45 |
| ignas | http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/browser/configure.zcml#L45 | 15:46 |
| ignas | the registration | 15:46 |
| ignas | http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/browser/__init__.py#L200 the handler | 15:47 |
| ignas | hth | 15:47 |
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| edgordon | i guess i was just wondering if most osx users use the default or darwinports install of python, or if you install another python for zope development | 15:50 |
| bigkevmcd | Personally, I use the Macpython.org packages | 15:51 |
| bigkevmcd | http://macpython.org/packages/py24-fat/index.html | 15:51 |
| brandon_rhodes | edgordon: Philipp von Weitershausen noted on the grok mailing list on Wednesday that using system Python distros can get you into trouble on several platforms, so there does seem to be a preference for doing a clean 2nd install for running Zope 3... | 15:53 |
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| edgordon | yeah, that is sorta what got me thinking about it | 15:54 |
| brandon_rhodes | edgordon: gotchya | 15:54 |
| edgordon | so, i was just curious how people have gone about that | 15:54 |
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| ignas | edgordon: for schooltool i am using buildout | 15:55 |
| ignas | http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/st-buildout | 15:55 |
| edgordon | ignas: and what python are you using w/ that? | 15:55 |
| ignas | buildout.sh - installs buildout with your system python, then compiles new python, installs buildout with new python, and then build schooltool | 15:55 |
| ignas | not sure how would that work on mac though | 15:56 |
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| edgordon | hmm. why wouldn't it? | 15:56 |
| edgordon | its not like i really need any of the macpython stuff for zope develpment | 15:57 |
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| ignas | edgordon: because i haven't tried ;) | 15:58 |
| edgordon | oh, right. ok, looks like your schooltool doc is a great starting point for what i am looking for | 15:58 |
| edgordon | so, thanks | 15:58 |
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| MJ | this is getting tiresome. | 16:43 |
| * MJ kicks his router | 16:44 | |
| MJ | zc.buildout question | 16:44 |
| MJ | is there any way I can name an egg and tell buildout to ignore it's dependencies altogether | 16:44 |
| MJ | I need one egg for a Z2 app, where the zope.* dependencies are already part of the Zope distribution | 16:44 |
| MJ | currently, the egg in question depends on zope.schema, which ends up pulling in all of Z3.. | 16:44 |
| benji | who benji | 16:44 |
| benji | oops :) | 16:44 |
| MJ | :) | 16:44 |
| J1m | MJ: no | 16:44 |
| MJ | okay | 16:44 |
| J1m | I wouldn't be opposed to that feature. | 16:44 |
| MJ | bummer | 16:44 |
| * wiggy would love that feature | 16:45 | |
| benji | MJ's ghosting made me remember that I had a network outage this morning, and I didn't remember who I was. | 16:45 |
| MJ | :) | 16:45 |
| wiggy | MJ: hand-editing .installed ? | 16:45 |
| MJ | wiggy: heh, yippee | 16:45 |
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| wiggy | assumed-eggs = zope.schema 1.0 | 16:45 |
| wiggy | lovely router | 16:46 |
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| MJ | helpfully, my IRC client crashed too. | 16:46 |
| theuni | ;) | 16:47 |
| MJ | J1m: how would you see the syntax? | 16:47 |
| ignas | J1m: i am trying to build a new python and use it as the python to buildout my project http://source.schooltool.org/trac/browser/trunk/st-buildout , is there some better way (that would not include using the shell script) | 16:47 |
| MJ | theuni: this is all your fault too ;) | 16:47 |
| wiggy | assumed-eggs = zope.schema 1.0 would work for me :) | 16:48 |
| * theuni runs | 16:48 | |
| * MJ is trying to include AlphaFlow into a buildout | 16:48 | |
| * theuni runs faster | 16:48 | |
| MJ | theuni: and AlphaFlow now needs zc.sourcefactory | 16:48 |
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| theuni | yes it does | 16:48 |
| MJ | theuni: and zc.sourcefactory wants zope.schema | 16:48 |
| wiggy | alphaflow 2 or 1? | 16:48 |
| MJ | and the snowball gets only bigger after that.. | 16:48 |
| theuni | which tells me you are working with alphaflow 2 | 16:48 |
| MJ | wiggy: 2 | 16:48 |
| MJ | theuni: may as well.. | 16:48 |
| J1m | MJ, I really don't know and don't even have time to think about it. | 16:49 |
| wiggy | MJ: that's in alpha status, do we want to use that? | 16:49 |
| MJ | J1m: okay | 16:49 |
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| MJ | wiggy: if it works. | 16:49 |
| MJ | oh hell | 16:49 |
| * MJ switches to 1 and avoids the issue altogether. | 16:49 | |
| theuni | wiggy, MJ: honestly, from my perspective, AF 2 isn't usable within the next 4 weeks, after that we'll finish it. | 16:49 |
| theuni | the customer project is still in work an AF 2 moves along with it | 16:49 |
| MJ | theuni: too late then ;) | 16:49 |
| theuni | s/an/and/ | 16:49 |
| theuni | ;) | 16:49 |
| theuni | life's a bitch :) | 16:49 |
| wiggy | our deadline is 1.5 weeks from now | 16:49 |
| J1m | ignas, I have no idea what you're talking about. | 16:49 |
| theuni | then you better not work on the trunk ... | 16:50 |
| MJ | simple enough project | 16:50 |
| J1m | To use a particular Python, just bootstrap with it. | 16:50 |
| MJ | theuni: I was using a tag. | 16:50 |
| J1m | Then it will be used from then on. | 16:50 |
| theuni | even worse, which means it was old =) | 16:50 |
| ignas | J1m: i want buildout to build that new python, because users installing schooltool are not technical enough to compile it themselves | 16:50 |
| ignas | J1m: i just wanted to know if i can do this in buildout in 1 step | 16:51 |
| MJ | ignas: do it in bootstrap instead | 16:51 |
| J1m | You could if you were willing to use the system Python to run buildout but have everything you build use a custom python. | 16:51 |
| J1m | You can build Python as part of your project and set up the buildout so that that Python gets used for other things. | 16:52 |
| ignas | J1m: buildout installs eggs in the first run, so egg binary files get compiled for the system python | 16:52 |
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| ignas | python on ubuntu | 16:56 |
| ignas | has packages in site-packages that i don't need | 16:56 |
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| ignas | and that conflict with some eggs being installed | 16:56 |
| J1m | ah, you want buildout to have an option to exclude site packages. | 16:56 |
| wiggy | that's the ubuntu-installs-everything-with-egg-info thing, isn't it | 16:56 |
| ignas | if buildout could in some way remove site-packages from pythonpath | 16:56 |
| ignas | and use something local instead | 16:56 |
| wiggy | oh, more general | 16:56 |
| ignas | wiggy: yes, that part is causing me problems | 16:57 |
| J1m | That's not a bad idea. | 16:57 |
| J1m | I wonder if you could run buildout under workingenv. | 16:58 |
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| J1m | workingenv goes out of it's way to not look at site-packages. | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | doesn't philikon's zopeproject use buildout? if so I did run it under workingenv once | 16:58 |
| ignas | hmm | 16:59 |
| ignas | i'll have to try that, maybe it will work better than my current approach | 17:00 |
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| whit|out | J1m: I recently ran buildout under workingenv and it worked nicely | 17:20 |
| J1m | cool | 17:20 |
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| J1m | I guess that's a pretty good answer to the old questions of how they should be used together. | 17:21 |
| * whit was very happy about the situation | 17:21 | |
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| fdrake | mgedmin: How much more are you planning on doing to zope.testing? | 17:39 |
| fdrake | I want a final release at some point, and the releases that are already out there are insane. | 17:39 |
| benji | on a related note, I glanced at nose the other day. | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | fdrake: I'd like to finish the tests and documentation on the test-checkers branch and merge it | 17:39 |
| fdrake | More features? Are they close? | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | maybe figure out why --ndiff doesn't work if I run the full zope.testing testsuite, but works if I run individual tests | 17:40 |
| benji | Its extension mechanism looks good; if someone were suitably motivated, they could probably add the features unique to zope.testing to nose | 17:40 |
| benji | fdrake: they're pretty close; I think layer support is the biggest missing feature | 17:40 |
| fdrake | There's a 3.4-r# release out there already, which is newer than 3.4 if we ask pkg_resources; I'd like to drive us to a zope.testing 3.5 quickly, so a final release is close. | 17:41 |
| fdrake | benji: I meant more features from the test-checkers branch. | 17:41 |
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| benji | ahh | 17:41 |
| fdrake | We've got lots of stuff that depends on zope.testing, and that's got nasty release pain. | 17:42 |
| * fdrake strongly hates -r# and dev releases. | 17:42 | |
| philiKON | amen, brother | 17:43 |
| fdrake | mgedmin: I'm actually less worried about bug fixes than features; we can make bugfix releases without doing weird branch dances. | 17:43 |
| * mgedmin is not getting fdrake's point | 17:44 | |
| mgedmin | do you mean to say that releases are a pain and therefore fewer releases == better? | 17:44 |
| fdrake | mgedmin: I mean dealing with branches is a pain, so we should do fewer. | 17:45 |
| fdrake | I'm happy to see releases X.Y.0, X.Y.1, ... X.Y.587 happen as quickly as needed to deal with bugs. | 17:46 |
| fdrake | With the recently discussed maturity level policy from the zope3-dev list, there's a lot of pressure to get at least some of the foundation packages in final states quickly. | 17:47 |
| fdrake | Pressure from me, if nothing else. ;-) | 17:47 |
| fdrake | zope.testing was my next target, since zope.interface requires it. | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | whats a "final state" ? | 17:47 |
| fdrake | mgedmin: Not alpha/beta/dev/-r#. | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | (a) has no half-finished stuff in it, or (b) won't change ever after | 17:48 |
| theuni | "3.4" would be a final release | 17:48 |
| CSWookie | mgedmin: Their release number ends in neither a, b, or dev. | 17:48 |
| fdrake | theuni: or "3.4.1" | 17:48 |
| fdrake | theuni: of "3.4.1.2.3.5" | 17:49 |
| fdrake | Hey, we can give examples all day! ;-) | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | fdrake: I'm not aware of any bugs in zope.testing that would preclude a final release now | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | (unless I introduced some with my recent changes) | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | (but I hope I didn't) | 17:49 |
| fdrake | So if I release 3.5.0 *right now*, we're good? | 17:49 |
| edgordon | what package includes all the core zope zcml directives? I just switched some zopeprojects to a local 'clean' python install, and my easy-install.pth is a lot shorter. and now i get InvalidDirective errors on basic stuff like 'include' | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | fdrake: yes, I think so | 17:50 |
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| fdrake | edgordon: zope.configuration handles that. | 17:50 |
| fdrake | Ok, I plan to release zope.testing 3.5.0 right now then. | 17:50 |
| fdrake | edgordon: I think. | 17:50 |
| edgordon | hmm. that is odd. it is already there | 17:50 |
| edgordon | and i still get the error | 17:51 |
| edgordon | any tips? | 17:51 |
| CSWookie | fdrake: Yea fdrake! Go! Go! Go! | 17:51 |
| fdrake | It's there, but the meta.zcml from that might need to be included. It's hard to say without diving into your project. | 17:51 |
| fdrake | edgordon: You can start chasing down what's loaded from zope.app.zcmlfiles:meta.zcml to see what happens at that point. | 17:52 |
| edgordon | yeah, nothing about zope.configuration there | 17:54 |
| fdrake | I will note that I'm specifically ignoring the maturity level on setuptools, since that's been a release candidate for like a decade. | 17:54 |
| edgordon | i could just include it per-project, but it just seems like something is wrong with the whole setup | 17:56 |
| fdrake | edgordon: I can't judge that w/out knowing what you're doing. It's possible dependencies aren't right somewhere, I guess. | 17:56 |
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| fdrake | mgedmin: Something in the long_description for 3.5.0 is not UTF-8 encodable; haven't looked to see what yet. PyPI isn't exactly a good place for Unicode. | 18:12 |
| fdrake | So 3.5.0 has no long description there, but I filled in the rest of the metadata using the web form. | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | long_description is essentially the contents of README.txt, and I don't see non-ASCII stuff there | 18:14 |
| fdrake | That and most of the other doc files. | 18:14 |
| fdrake | Could be anywhere. | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | oh, it reads the files, not just mentions their filenames | 18:15 |
| fdrake | I suspect ASCII only for the long description is best, at least until PyPI can deal with Unicode. | 18:15 |
| fdrake | Yeah; there's a lot there. | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | I bet it's the "Unicode Errors" section in testrunner-errrors.txt | 18:15 |
| fdrake | I'd be happy to have a shorter long description myself. | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | yes, there's a U+2014 (em dash) in there | 18:16 |
| fdrake | Oooh... imagine that. Is it in input, or output? | 18:16 |
| fdrake | If input, it can probably be encoded using \u or \U | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | output | 18:16 |
| fdrake | erg. | 18:16 |
| fdrake | Doesn't need to be dealt with now; the release is done. | 18:17 |
| fdrake | :-) | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | hm, long_description = long_description.decode('utf-8').encode('ascii', 'xmlentityref') ? | 18:17 |
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| fdrake | Given the insanity of PyPI's handling of the descriptions, I'd vote to use less in the long description. | 18:18 |
| fdrake | Then the tests don't have to get hacky just to keep PyPI happy. | 18:19 |
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| fdrake | Long description was really only meant to be a paragraph or two, not a book or complete website. | 18:20 |
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| fdrake | zope.interface is next. | 18:20 |
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| fdrake | Argh! There's a zope.interface 3.4dev. What's that supposed to be? | 18:21 |
| fdrake | Ah, at least that comes before 3.4. | 18:22 |
| fdrake | I'll release zope.interface 3.4.0 *right now*; objectors need to be quick. | 18:23 |
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| fdrake | Huh. The CHANGES.txt file mentions releases I don't see anywhere. | 18:24 |
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| mgedmin | +1 for not including the full test suite in the description | 18:27 |
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| fdrake | zope.interface 3.4.0 release complete | 18:33 |
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| fdrake | Hmm. The zope.component fetches zope.app.form and zope.publisher. | 18:35 |
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| fdrake | That feels sick. | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:35 |
| faassen | fdrake: yup, hopefully this will all be unsickened at some point. :) | 18:36 |
| faassen | fdrake: zope.i18n fetches zope.component which fetches just about the whole universe. | 18:36 |
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| fdrake | Yeah, zope.component gets a lot of other stuff too, when I look at bin/test. | 18:36 |
| fdrake | I guess I've got to find other low-hanging fruit. | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | why does zope.component need those? | 18:37 |
| fdrake | Dunno. Maybe overzealous tests? Or a busted install_requires? | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | I can find no imports of zope.app or zope.publisher in zope.component code | 18:38 |
| fdrake | If it's a busted setup.py, that's worth fixing. | 18:38 |
| fdrake | zope.deferredimport is a real dependency, and there are (now) final releases of all dependencies there. | 18:39 |
| fdrake | I'll release zope.deferredimport now. | 18:39 |
| fdrake | Objectors are likely to be ignored; I'm on a roll. ;-) | 18:39 |
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| * fdrake guesses J1m is taking lunch;awaiting PyPI privs for zope.deferredimport. | 18:54 | |
| CSWookie | fdrake: He is not, but he is AFK | 18:55 |
| xbeanx | What slot must I fill to render something without the header and menu? | 18:55 |
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| xbeanx | d'uh, nevermind.... that's gotta be the dumbest question anyone ever asked in here | 18:57 |
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| fdrake | zope.deferredimport 3.4.0 released; PyPI update waiting for privs. | 18:59 |
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| hazmat | faassen, ping | 19:05 |
| hazmat | faassen, did you get the hurry.workflow patches? | 19:05 |
| faassen | hazmat: yes, I got them, but I was at EuroPython all week last week and I haven't had a chance to look at them yet this week. | 19:06 |
| faassen | hazmat: I'll put it on my todo list. | 19:06 |
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| fdrake | zope.i18nmessageid is next. | 19:08 |
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| fdrake | zope.i18nmessageid 3.4.0 is released, PyPI updates pending privs assignment. | 19:18 |
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| srichter | PyPI really needs the concept of groups | 19:46 |
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| hazmat | faassen, cool, just let me know if there are any questions/comments regarding | 19:49 |
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| fdrake | srichter: No kidding. | 19:54 |
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| faassen | hazmat: will do. :) | 20:00 |
| * faassen waves bye. | 20:00 | |
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| srichter | J1m: can you make me an owner of the zope.i18n package on PyPI? | 20:47 |
| fdrake | zope.dottedname 3.4.0 is finished. | 20:48 |
| srichter | fdrake: can you annoy Jim to give me access to zope.i18n? | 20:48 |
| fdrake | I think he's looking at perms now. | 20:49 |
| srichter | cool | 20:49 |
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| fdrake | He's only now getting to several backed up requests I had. | 20:49 |
| J1m | srichter, sure | 20:50 |
| srichter | thanks | 20:50 |
| J1m | srichter, what is your pypi id? | 20:50 |
| srichter | actually, whenever you give someone zope.* package access add me too :-) | 20:50 |
| srichter | srichter | 20:50 |
| J1m | :) | 20:51 |
| fdrake | srichter must be plotting world domination.... | 20:51 |
| * J1m roots for sricter | 20:52 | |
| J1m | vote for stephan | 20:52 |
| * srichter has this already, but J1m and theuni tried a come back ;-) | 20:52 | |
| srichter | okay zope.i18n 3.4.0b4 is released too | 20:53 |
| J1m | b4? | 20:53 |
| srichter | yeah | 20:53 |
| * J1m is tired of beta releases. | 20:53 | |
| srichter | it was buggy until now | 20:53 |
| J1m | I guess zope.i18n is not trivial. | 20:53 |
| J1m | l | 20:53 |
| J1m | k | 20:53 |
| srichter | I want to make sure that everything in z3c.form works as expected | 20:53 |
| srichter | I started using the number parsing and formatting in z3c.form which showed a bunch of bugs that I am fixing | 20:54 |
| srichter | otherwise I am quick on making final releases | 20:54 |
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| fdrake | PyPI updated for the releases I made this morning. | 21:23 |
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| J1m | srichter, did you try ppix yet? | 21:33 |
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| fdrake | J1m: I did! I love it already! | 21:33 |
| fdrake | Added it to my ~/.buildout/default.cfg. | 21:34 |
| J1m | cool | 21:34 |
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| iam-vivek | do any try zope wiki | 21:45 |
| iam-vivek | some problem in the site. | 21:45 |
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| iam-vivek | did any tried zopewiki | 21:48 |
| fdrake | Well, I'm not planning any more package-release shenanigans for today, so I'm outta here for now... | 21:48 |
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| iam-vivek | zopewiki is having some problem. | 21:50 |
| sm | iam-vivek: you're right.. my fault, sorry | 21:52 |
| * sm fixes | 21:52 | |
| iam-vivek | sm: thank you | 21:54 |
| * sm was trying to install clouseau for a zeo-less debug prompt | 21:54 | |
| sm | should be ok now | 21:54 |
| iam-vivek | yes | 21:54 |
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| CrippsFX | is there a way I can access a vocabulary directly from a page template? I'm *sort of* building a form that uses two choice widgets (from vocabularies) to get information. This information is then used to query a database and return a container full of values. | 22:05 |
| CrippsFX | so I want to go through this page and have a view for the container generated. | 22:06 |
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| srichter | J1m: I meant to ask you waht ppix does... I follow the checkins closely | 22:24 |
| J1m | http://download.zope.org/ppix | 22:25 |
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| J1m | srichter, see the note I sent to the distutils and catalog sigs this morning. | 22:27 |
| srichter | sigh, I am not subscribed, but I find the archives | 22:27 |
| J1m | Basically, a much faster pypi | 22:28 |
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| srichter | cool | 22:29 |
| srichter | I am reading your post now | 22:29 |
| J1m | maybe I should forward to zope3-dev | 22:29 |
| srichter | I think this would be good | 22:29 |
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| aelkner | we are having a problem writing a functional test that instantiates two Browser() instances in that they both seem to be updating to the same (probably virtual) db | 22:34 |
| pcardune | aelkner: they do update to the same virtual db | 22:35 |
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| aelkner | but we want two different dbs for our test | 22:36 |
| srichter | J1m: awesome! | 22:37 |
| srichter | J1m: this is cool; I'll update every package I touch :-) | 22:37 |
| aelkner | srichter: we are working on the schooltool sifagent package ftests, and we want to have two different Browser() instances that each have its db. Is there a way to do that? | 22:39 |
| aelkner | Right now we find that they both share the same db | 22:40 |
| srichter | there is probably a way, but it is not straightforward | 22:40 |
| srichter | it would probably need some serious fiddeling with the layer setup and the testbrowser constructor | 22:41 |
| aelkner | i was afraid of that | 22:41 |
| aelkner | could it be that we are the first use case that has this needx? | 22:41 |
| srichter | probably | 22:42 |
| srichter | we usually do not have this need | 22:42 |
| srichter | this we only test one application | 22:42 |
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| aelkner | srichter: I could look into the serious fiddling when i get the chance. | 22:44 |
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| J1m | srichter, you don't have to modify any packages to use ppix. | 23:10 |
| J1m | Just put it ibn ~/.buildout/default.cfg | 23:11 |
| srichter | yeah, I saw Fred's comment | 23:11 |
| srichter | so I did: | 23:11 |
| srichter | [buildout] | 23:11 |
| srichter | index = http://download.zope.org/ppix | 23:11 |
| srichter | in the file you mentioned | 23:11 |
| J1m | yup | 23:11 |
| srichter | (you should add this to the overview page) | 23:11 |
| J1m | perhaps so | 23:12 |
| srichter | it is really so much faster | 23:13 |
| benji | overview of what? if zc.buildout, then I would think not, it's just as likely that ppix will be slow for any random person as pypi | 23:13 |
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| J1m | benji: on the ppix page | 23:13 |
| benji | ah, that makes more sense | 23:14 |
| benji | oh, J1m: what did you think about Martin's desire for downloads from mirrors to update pypi's download counters? | 23:14 |
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| benji | well, be that way ;) | 23:24 |
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| J1m | benji, the mirror I et up points to pypi for downloads. | 23:26 |
| J1m | set | 23:26 |
| benji | cool! | 23:27 |
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| mgedmin | cool discovery of the day: python2.5's built-in any() function breaks unit test coverage reporting | 23:31 |
| mgedmin | looks like it resets the sys.settrace hook for some reason or another | 23:31 |
| * mgedmin is playing with z3c.coverage test suite if anyone else is interested | 23:31 | |
| philiKON_ | srichter: you should check out gmane... you don't have to be subscribed to read lists | 23:32 |
| philiKON_ | J1m: in which way is ppix faster than pypi? | 23:33 |
| philiKON_ | ah, i see now. http://download.zope.org/ppix/grok/ :) | 23:33 |
| philiKON_ | very neat | 23:34 |
| benji | philiKON_: the format is helpful for setuptools, and at least as importantly, it's "closer" than pypi (in a network sense) | 23:35 |
| philiKON_ | heh, right | 23:35 |
| benji | of course, it might be closer for some than others | 23:35 |
| philiKON_ | well, it's basically a flat list | 23:35 |
| philiKON_ | of all files of all versions | 23:35 |
| philiKON_ | in one single accessible page | 23:35 |
| philiKON_ | that's simple and therefore fast to deliver | 23:35 |
| * philiKON_ wonders how to run ppix... | 23:36 | |
| J1m | philiKON_, if you decide to do so, it's pretty easy. | 23:36 |
| philiKON_ | well, i think people might be interested in running local ppix | 23:36 |
| J1m | Note that this all started with your note about multiple requests for buildout. :) | 23:36 |
| philiKON_ | right :) | 23:37 |
| philiKON_ | i'm fully aware of that | 23:37 |
| philiKON_ | i think this is great | 23:37 |
| philiKON_ | i wish pypi would have this built-in and setuptools would know about it | 23:37 |
| philiKON_ | but this works just as well | 23:37 |
| J1m | I'd like to get some discussion/blessing on the catalog-sig list before we have too many mirrors. | 23:37 |
| philiKON_ | that's fair | 23:37 |
| * philiKON_ will read the catalog-sig list | 23:37 | |
| philiKON_ | s/read/watch/ | 23:37 |
| J1m | I'm a little dissapointed that there hasn't been any reaction on the sig lists. | 23:38 |
| wiggy | the new index looks nice | 23:39 |
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| philiKON_ | J1m: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/126441 ? | 23:45 |
| philiKON_ | by the way | 23:45 |
| J1m | Yes. I wasn't aware that what you were suggesting would work w/o $HOME being set. | 23:46 |
| J1m | +1 | 23:46 |
| J1m | :) | 23:46 |
| philiKON_ | ok. i'll apply it then. | 23:46 |
| J1m | Thanks. | 23:46 |
| philiKON_ | on windows, $HOME typically isn't set, but $HOMEDRIVE and $HOMEDIR | 23:46 |
| J1m | ah | 23:47 |
| philiKON_ | os.path.expanduser('~') seems to be the canonical form of resolving the user's homedir on both paltforms | 23:47 |
| J1m | I have home set to make emacs work the way I want. :) So I can't easily test your change. | 23:47 |
| philiKON_ | i've seen that buildout actually heavily depends on the environment | 23:47 |
| philiKON_ | i have a ~/buildout/default.cfg which seems to mess it up quite badly... | 23:48 |
| J1m | How so? | 23:48 |
| philiKON_ | when running the tests, it seems to actually use the settings from default.cfg | 23:48 |
| J1m | oh, the buildout tests you eman. | 23:49 |
| J1m | yes | 23:49 |
| philiKON_ | right, sorry, was talkinga bout the tests | 23:49 |
| J1m | They own;y work from a buildout and yes, they depend on environment settings. | 23:49 |
| J1m | They need to be able to find Python 2.3 and 2.4 so they can test running with different pythons. | 23:49 |
| philiKON_ | i see | 23:50 |
| J1m | The buildout tests are a bear because of many of the things that have to be tested. | 23:50 |
| philiKON_ | that's.... interesting :) | 23:50 |
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| pcardune | this is very strange, running tests with --coverage doesn't pick up all the tested modules... but if I put a pdb set_trace into a file, rerun the tests, then *only* that module shows up, then removing the pdb trace and rerunning coverage for a third time has the missing module show up. (phew) | 23:50 |
| philiKON | J1m: if my observations are correct, they also do donwloads... right? | 23:50 |
| philiKON | J1m: at least zc.zope3recipes tests would download stuff... | 23:50 |
| J1m | yes | 23:50 |
| projekt01 | J1m, is it possible to write a recipt which will use a argument winservice=false and install a run script or with winservice=true the win service deamon. If so does this conflict with linux buildout process if we use this in the project recipe buildout.cfg | 23:51 |
| J1m | The testing framework for buildout actually sets up web servers. | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | pcardune: --coverage is very fragile due to the intricacies of python's sys.settrace() | 23:53 |
| J1m | If it was it's own recipe, it wouldn't conflict with anything. | 23:53 |
| pcardune | mgedmin: hmmm, do you have any solutions/recommendations? | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | not really... | 23:53 |
| projekt01 | J1m, that sounds good | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | I used to debug the problems one-by-one | 23:53 |
| projekt01 | J1m, the test do not all run on windows some path output are different on windows e.g. d d:\\... instead of - d:\\... | 23:54 |
| mgedmin | find the test that breaks coverage reporting for subsequent tests, try to figure out why and fix it | 23:54 |
| J1m | If it was a change to zc.zope3recipes:instance then that might be a little trickier but still diable. | 23:54 |
| J1m | projekt01, right, I know I need to fix that. | 23:54 |
| pcardune | mgedmin: what does "fixing it" usually involve | 23:54 |
| projekt01 | np | 23:54 |
| J1m | ( | 23:54 |
| J1m | That's one of the reasons zc.buildout is still beta. :( | 23:55 |
| J1m | projekt01, the service mechanism might also be triggered by use of a deployment part, if that concept maps to windows. | 23:55 |
| projekt01 | I whould call the hole python egg process on windows pre-alpha ;-) | 23:55 |
| J1m | well, I wouldn't. | 23:56 |
| projekt01 | I was just kidding | 23:56 |
| J1m | Lots of people use eggs on windows and people have has success using the zodb eggs. | 23:56 |
| J1m | Most of us who are working on this just don't workon windows so the recipes are certainly less mature. | 23:57 |
| projekt01 | the problem is, you have to get all the eggs for windows, if one egg is missing e.g. pysqlite you are lost. | 23:57 |
| J1m | Our deployment recipes reflect lots of uniz experience. | 23:57 |
| J1m | Unless you have a compiler installed. :) | 23:57 |
| J1m | Works great for me. | 23:57 |
| J1m | Although I need to create another windows VM to test compiler-less installs. | 23:58 |
| projekt01 | Yes, I use mingw and msys, it works great, but I couldn't buil python 2.4 and pysqlite | 23:58 |
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| J1m | Distutils has made dealing with windows a lot easier for me. Now that I have my environment set up, creating widows dists is very very easy. | 23:59 |
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