| javimansilla | later, I'll have to put on my configure.zcml that state field should use this widget | 00:01 |
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| philiKON | more like in your formlib form | 00:01 |
| javimansilla | actually? ummm, the book suggest the zcml... but I see that you are improving you material :-) | 00:02 |
| philiKON | as i said, 1st ed sucks :) | 00:02 |
| philiKON | 2nd edition describes formlib | 00:02 |
| philiKON | which is THE way to do forms nowadays | 00:02 |
| javimansilla | damned :-) | 00:03 |
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| javimansilla | here the book buyer says that he asked the 2nd edition to amazon. Dunno why they send us the 1st | 00:06 |
| wiggy | I had a hard time figuring out which edition amazon was offering me | 00:06 |
| wiggy | ended up just ordering it at the local bookshop | 00:06 |
| javimansilla | good decision | 00:07 |
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| wiggy | gah, buildout assertion error strikes again | 00:12 |
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| philiKON | wiggy: it's really easy, simply go to my website and follow the amazon links | 00:39 |
| philiKON | also, amazon tends to say "2nd edition" :) | 00:39 |
| philiKON | not that i want to keep you from going to your bookstore | 00:39 |
| wiggy | that's now :) | 00:39 |
| __self | hey philipp, your book rules.. but you already knew that | 00:40 |
| __self | :O :) | 00:40 |
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| philiKON | :) | 00:40 |
| __self | one minor gripe though... | 00:41 |
| __self | your only pictures are of browser screenshots.. I'd like to see figures with boxes/circles/arrows/etc showing components, adapters and what not | 00:43 |
| philiKON | they'll come, though not that soon | 00:43 |
| philiKON | drawing graphs with circles and arrows is harder than you think | 00:43 |
| __self | i know :( | 00:43 |
| philiKON | and frankly, i don't think that way | 00:43 |
| wiggy | there are excellent tools to do that for you | 00:44 |
| philiKON | so i don't know how to draw them well so that others understand it | 00:44 |
| philiKON | fuck the tools | 00:44 |
| philiKON | i don't know what a circle should be | 00:44 |
| philiKON | it's not the tools that i'm worried about | 00:44 |
| __self | text-only is quite heavy reading for a beginner :) | 00:44 |
| philiKON | it's the actual meaning | 00:44 |
| __self | yeah, i see the complications of doing figures | 00:44 |
| philiKON | but text is much more expressive | 00:45 |
| philiKON | anyway, i have some figures that will be included in some future edition | 00:45 |
| philiKON | once they're polished | 00:45 |
| philiKON | but generally i'm of the opinion that a few lines of code are better than a poor graph | 00:46 |
| __self | i agree, but I also think not having any graph at _all_ makes it slightly more difficult | 00:47 |
| __self | but people think differently, some are visualizers like me.. | 00:47 |
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| philiKON | then draw a picture :) | 00:48 |
| __self | yep, that's what I do :) | 00:48 |
| philiKON | great. what's the problem then? | 00:48 |
| __self | it'd be good to confirm that I've actually understood it properly | 00:49 |
| __self | after all, my sketches are the interpretation of the text | 00:49 |
| philiKON | right. but let's say you send them to me for verifications | 00:49 |
| philiKON | i'd have to interpret your graphs | 00:49 |
| philiKON | how would i do that? | 00:50 |
| philiKON | i don't know how your twisted mind works :) | 00:50 |
| __self | :D | 00:50 |
| __self | but it's still a minor gripe.. don't take it too seriosly | 00:51 |
| __self | the book is very solid | 00:51 |
| __self | 2nd ed. that is :P | 00:52 |
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| philiKON | thanks | 00:52 |
| philiKON | i take every suggeston seriously | 00:52 |
| philiKON | (right until i discover they're completely stupid ;)) | 00:52 |
| philiKON | (though this one isn't *completely* stupid ;)) | 00:53 |
| __self | :) | 00:53 |
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| philiKON | argh, svn.zope.org down again | 01:09 |
| philiKON | hmm, no just slow :( | 01:09 |
| projekt01 | yup | 01:09 |
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| dabu | how do you get Zope3 to find your modules in Windows? | 03:16 |
| dabu | trying to do the "Zope3 in 30 minutes" tutorial, but in Windows and it wont find the boom.py module you creat | 03:16 |
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| dabu | ok you need a __init__.py file | 04:11 |
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| * mgedmin registers https://launchpad.net/zope.testing | 16:23 | |
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| * baijum found "Also affects:" link (/+choose-affected-product), cool ! | 16:28 | |
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| mgedmin | for some bugs you can click on the triangle next to zope3 and change the project to zope.testing | 16:29 |
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| mgedmin | I can replace <adapter for=".IFoo" factory=".getFoo"> with <adapter factory=".getFoo"> if I use @adapts(IFoo) in front of def getFoo(...): | 18:31 |
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| mgedmin | what's the directive for <subscriber for=".IFoo" handler=".handleFoo"> ? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | is it @adapter as well, or is there a @subscriber? | 18:32 |
| srichter | mgedmin: it is @adapts as well | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 18:32 |
| srichter | mgedmin: because the only difference between a regular and subscription adapter is in the registry | 18:33 |
| srichter | but not in the signature | 18:33 |
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| dennis_ | hi, can anyone recommend a package which allows scheduling events based on time? (like cron more or less) | 21:34 |
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| mgedmin | what's happening to svn.zope.org today? | 21:59 |
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| TresEquis | BTW, the egg story for Zope3 is pretty horribly broken | 22:38 |
| TresEquis | the dependencies are complete crap | 22:38 |
| TresEquis | relying on a buildout to deliver a custom set of eggs is *not* the answer | 22:38 |
| TresEquis | for instance, try doing 'easy_install zope.publisher' -- it ends up in complete crapville | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | my understanding of the situation is "work in progress" | 22:38 |
| TresEquis | download.zope.org/distribution contains too much stuff not yet suitable for use | 22:39 |
| TresEquis | and nobody is minding the store | 22:39 |
| TresEquis | we need a "no dev packages allowed" place | 22:39 |
| TresEquis | maybe http://download.zope.org/distribution/released | 22:39 |
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| TresEquis | because people are pushing dev packages out to that location without considering ramifications | 22:40 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:41 |
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| mgedmin | like linux distros have (stable/unstable) | 22:41 |
| TresEquis | yes, perhaps | 22:42 |
| TresEquis | I'm in the process of experimenting with such a directory | 22:44 |
| TresEquis | that seems to allow the install to go through | 22:47 |
| TresEquis | the dependencies are still too broad | 22:47 |
| TresEquis | but at least they don't conflict | 22:47 |
| TresEquis | spoke too soon | 22:48 |
| TresEquis | somebody wants a 'zope.app.interpreter' | 22:48 |
| TresEquis | and there is no released version | 22:48 |
| TresEquis | this is a *massive* quality assurance problem | 22:48 |
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| TresEquis | philiKON: howdy | 22:50 |
| * TresEquis is bitching about state of Zope3 egg story | 22:50 | |
| TresEquis | dev eggs should be shot | 22:50 |
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| TresEquis | http://download.zope.org/distribution/released/ has hard links of all non-dev eggs/dists now | 22:56 |
| TresEquis | but nothing will keep that up to date, dammit | 22:57 |
| TresEquis | I just pushed a 3.4.0b1 version of zope.app.interpreter up, too | 22:57 |
| TresEquis | so that I can install zope.publisher ;( | 22:57 |
| TresEquis | I'm working on eggifying zope.bobo | 22:58 |
| TresEquis | its direct dependencies are minimal: 'zope.interface', | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | 'zope.publisher', | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | 'zope.event', | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | 'zope.component', | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | 'zope.security', | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | 'setuptools', | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | but that expands to 60+ packages | 22:59 |
| TresEquis | including a bunch of zope.app.* thingies | 22:59 |
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| J1m | TresEquis, I sympathize. | 23:07 |
| J1m | Maybe we need to schedule an egg day. | 23:08 |
| J1m | TresEquis, why are you messing with zope.bobo? | 23:08 |
| TresEquis | I've been avoiding this hairball for a bit, but it is essentially the "brand risk" I talked about in Potsdam | 23:08 |
| J1m | Yes, I agree. | 23:08 |
| TresEquis | hmm, I have a small app which could use an alternative root object | 23:09 |
| TresEquis | rather than ZODB | 23:09 |
| TresEquis | I figured that zope.bobo was the place to start | 23:09 |
| J1m | I guess you're trying to use the bobo publication. | 23:09 |
| J1m | I never got far with that. | 23:09 |
| TresEquis | I'd really like to have a configuration-defined top-level mapping | 23:10 |
| J1m | Basically, you just need al alternative publication component. | 23:10 |
| TresEquis | yes | 23:10 |
| J1m | That's pretty straightforward, once you know it is an option. | 23:10 |
| TresEquis | one key might be ZODB based, another RDBMS based, another static filesystem | 23:10 |
| J1m | Yup. | 23:11 |
| TresEquis | another might do module publishing | 23:11 |
| TresEquis | could be named utilitiies registered for IApplicatoinRoot, or something | 23:11 |
| J1m | I'm sure you've read IPublication (or whatever it's called) and know how to proceed. | 23:11 |
| J1m | Yup | 23:11 |
| J1m | That might be an option. | 23:11 |
| J1m | Most people end up wanting something more sophisticated, usually involving regexs against URLs. | 23:12 |
| TresEquis | that would be possible, but I firmly believe in Peters' Law of Regexes | 23:12 |
| TresEquis | and I *like* object graphs ;) | 23:13 |
| J1m | me too | 23:13 |
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| TresEquis | somebody who wants the regex thingy could register a default utility | 23:13 |
| J1m | anyway, I hope the bobo experiment helps show you how without you needing to actually reuse it. | 23:13 |
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| TresEquis | why not reuse it? | 23:13 |
| J1m | I wish we hadn't spent time breaking up zope.app. | 23:13 |
| TresEquis | BTW, I've just added eggification | 23:14 |
| J1m | Because it is just a start. | 23:14 |
| TresEquis | we have dependcies pointing into it | 23:14 |
| J1m | a one weekend experiment. | 23:14 |
| TresEquis | but that is a hairball | 23:14 |
| J1m | why do we have dependencies pointing into it? | 23:14 |
| J1m | sigh | 23:14 |
| TresEquis | zope.pagetemplate depends on zope.app.interpreter, for instance | 23:14 |
| J1m | yeah, what does that have to do w zope.bobo. | 23:15 |
| J1m | ? | 23:15 |
| TresEquis | zope.bobo wants zope.publication | 23:15 |
| TresEquis | which pulls in a *lot* of stuff | 23:15 |
| TresEquis | I just added setup.py and README to the zope.bobo trunk | 23:16 |
| J1m | so you aren't saying that zope.bobo is a dependency of other things. | 23:16 |
| * J1m wished TresEquis would stop. :) | 23:16 | |
| TresEquis | right, it depends directly on a little bit | 23:16 |
| TresEquis | but transitively on a mess | 23:16 |
| TresEquis | that would be true for my app which wanted to do alternative publication, though | 23:16 |
| J1m | anyway, I agree on your opinion about the hairball. | 23:16 |
| J1m | Yes | 23:17 |
| J1m | I acknowledge the problem. :) | 23:17 |
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| TresEquis | did you see that I had made a 'released' subdir of the distribution directory? | 23:17 |
| J1m | I saw you mention it above. | 23:17 |
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| projekt01 | I think we should do a egg week not just a egg day ;-) | 23:23 |
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| J1m | TresEquis, in many respects, we still have a monolith. | 23:26 |
| J1m | Just moving to eggs didn't fix that, although it managed to knock off a few chips. | 23:27 |
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| J1m | I think we can make this better, but I'ts going to require making some backward incompatible changes at the packaging level (not the application level). | 23:28 |
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| projekt01 | J1m, we should do that. | 23:32 |
| J1m | yes, we should. | 23:32 |
| projekt01 | J1m, I guess yo are the only one which can do that, without getting involved in endless discussion ;-) | 23:33 |
| projekt01 | <wink> | 23:33 |
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| J1m | That's a good way to put it. | 23:42 |
| J1m | But I can't do it myself. | 23:42 |
| J1m | But I think the next steps may want to be done with a lot more care than the previous set. | 23:42 |
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| TresEquis | I seem to be missing some testing hair | 23:48 |
| TresEquis | and of course, zope.bobo isn't up-to-date with Zope 3.4 | 23:48 |
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| J1m | don't use zope.bobo. :) | 23:50 |
| * J1m needs to move it to some sort of grave yard | 23:51 | |
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| fsufitch | srichter, ayt? | 23:59 |
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