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| replaceafill | hi. if someone's up :) is there any way to use formlib to process forms without using form_fields? | 06:53 |
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| lmiller | Is there a way to list all adapters available for an object? | 07:01 |
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| replaceafill | hi. im trying to use zc.datetimewidget and i understand i have to provide an adapter for ITZInfo. I did, but my form's returned datetime objects always have utc format | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | is the adapter to avoid this? | 12:04 |
| afd_ | da | 12:09 |
| afd_ | wrong window | 12:10 |
| zagy | replaceafill: afaik the ITZInfo returns the desired timezone | 12:10 |
| zagy | replaceafill: poteintially with information from the request | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | i set the adapter to return a fixed tz | 12:11 |
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| replaceafill | and i thought the returned datetime object would come with my tz, but the come in utc | 12:12 |
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| ChrisW | hey all, I'm trying to write a test to check that the right subscribers are mapped to the right interfaces | 12:20 |
| ChrisW | as a result, I'm trying to get a list of the subscribers for a particular interface | 12:21 |
| ChrisW | this seems to be a very hard thing to do :-S | 12:21 |
| ChrisW | anyone got any ideas? | 12:21 |
| wiggy | isn't that a queryAdapters call? | 12:21 |
| afd_ | ChrisW: this question came up yesterday as well, watch the IRC log | 12:22 |
| wiggy | PhiliKON: zope.compoment.subscribers((theonlyobject,), iface) | 12:22 |
| wiggy | that was the answer | 12:22 |
| philiKON | yup | 12:23 |
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| philiKON | this will return an iterable. iterating over this iterable will already invoke the subscribers, though | 12:23 |
| replaceafill | how do i keep submitted values after submitting a custom action? my submit is successful but the values are gone when the form is refreshed | 12:29 |
| wiggy | philiKON: how easy/hard is it to do a zodb-less grok project? | 12:30 |
| philiKON | define "zodb-less" | 12:30 |
| philiKON | *completely* zodb-less? | 12:30 |
| philiKON | or would it be ok to have one or two meaningless objects in a zodb instance? | 12:31 |
| philiKON | (meaningless meaning the root object ;)) | 12:31 |
| wiggy | it would be ok but if it isn't hard to do without them preferable without | 12:31 |
| philiKON | well ditching the zodb completely is hard currently | 12:32 |
| wiggy | then I won't bother :) | 12:33 |
| philiKON | both from a zope3 perspective and grok | 12:33 |
| philiKON | but if you're fine with a zodb that just has a root folder and a grok.Application object in it | 12:33 |
| philiKON | then it's possible to have all other objects come from, say, sql | 12:33 |
| ChrisW | afd: I brought it up yesterday, the answers given didn't help ;) | 12:42 |
| afd_ | ok | 12:42 |
| ChrisW | wiggy: yeah, but I don't really want to call the subscribers | 12:42 |
| ChrisW | just see what's registered | 12:42 |
| ChrisW | also, what object do I pass and what interface? | 12:43 |
| ChrisW | philiKON: on the zodb-less issue, I thought someone did some work on that? I was going to, but it got sidelined behind a million other things :-( | 12:43 |
| philiKON | yes jinty has a branch | 12:44 |
| ChrisW | and I remember us having discussions about having a root "utility" rather than an object | 12:44 |
| philiKON | we talked about it at EP | 12:44 |
| philiKON | yup | 12:44 |
| philiKON | well, a root object factory utility | 12:44 |
| ChrisW | yeah, that's where I disagreed | 12:44 |
| ChrisW | I don't see why we don't just have something that gets the root and is configured from zcml | 12:45 |
| ChrisW | although I remember you bringing up something about startup order causing problems there | 12:45 |
| philiKON | that's what that is :) | 12:45 |
| ChrisW | anyway, as I said, maybe one year soon... | 12:45 |
| philiKON | factory = getUtility(IRootObjectFactory); root = factory() | 12:45 |
| ChrisW | how do I get the subscribers for an object interface without calling them? | 12:46 |
| wiggy | look at what subscribers does internally | 12:46 |
| ChrisW | wiggy's answer used two undefined variables that I don't know how to define ;-) | 12:46 |
| ChrisW | I have | 12:46 |
| ChrisW | it's confusing :-( | 12:46 |
| wiggy | my answer was a copy&paste of philiKON's answer from yesterday | 12:47 |
| ChrisW | the implementation of zope 3's event system leaves a lot to be desired... | 12:47 |
| * philiKON wonders what ChrisW needs to do | 12:47 | |
| ChrisW | I want to write a test to make sure that the correct susbcribers are subscribed | 12:48 |
| ChrisW | so I'm looking for a way to see what subscribers there are for a given itnerface | 12:48 |
| ChrisW | as a concrete example, IObjectAddedEvent | 12:49 |
| philiKON | you can't simply send an event and check on their effect? | 12:49 |
| ChrisW | no, there are *lots* of different subscribers here | 12:49 |
| ChrisW | I want to unit test each subscriber, and then test that they're subscribed to the right things | 12:50 |
| philiKON | this seems weird | 12:50 |
| ChrisW | what you described is a big ol' integration and functional test that I may do some way down the line... | 12:50 |
| philiKON | if it's a unit test | 12:50 |
| philiKON | you're going to do your own test setup | 12:50 |
| ChrisW | each susbcriber is a function | 12:50 |
| ChrisW | so I can unit test them | 12:50 |
| ChrisW | that bit is easy | 12:50 |
| philiKON | right | 12:50 |
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| ChrisW | however, I also want to test that the zcml mapping subscribers to events is correct | 12:51 |
| philiKON | well, that's an integration test | 12:51 |
| ChrisW | I *don't* want to have to do that by permutation testing every single event and looking for obversvable changes | 12:51 |
| ChrisW | that would be extremely time consuming and hard to do... | 12:51 |
| philiKON | uh huh. | 12:52 |
| ChrisW | there must be *some* way to interrogate whatever registry is used to find out what subscribers there are | 12:52 |
| philiKON | that's how we usually do it though | 12:52 |
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| ChrisW | most people "usually" use php and mysql to develop web apps... being "usual" doesn't necessarilly mean it's the right thing to do ;-) | 12:53 |
| ChrisW | where is the actual registry that keeps the mappings? | 12:53 |
| philiKON | zope.component.getGlobalSiteManager().adapters.subscriptions() | 12:53 |
| philiKON | the ...adapters thing is the adapter registry | 12:53 |
| philiKON | and if it seems to have a subscriptions() method | 12:53 |
| ChrisW | what does getGlobalSiteManager return in Zope 2.9? | 12:54 |
| philiKON | of which i don't know what it does | 12:54 |
| philiKON | the global site manager? | 12:54 |
| ChrisW | yep | 12:54 |
| ChrisW | where's the code for it? | 12:54 |
| philiKON | for what? | 12:54 |
| ChrisW | the global site manager | 12:54 |
| philiKON | in zope.component somewhere | 12:54 |
| ChrisW | heh, pdb here we come | 12:55 |
| philiKON | zope.component.getGlobalSiteManager() is available in zope 2.0 | 12:55 |
| philiKON | 2.9 | 12:55 |
| philiKON | so, getGlobalSiteManager() returns the global component registry | 12:55 |
| ChrisW | I wonder what wouldhappen if getGlobalSiteManager returned something that did somethign different, but still implemented all the interfaces, that the current one? | 12:55 |
| philiKON | huh? | 12:56 |
| philiKON | why don't you let me finish | 12:56 |
| ChrisW | that -> than | 12:56 |
| ChrisW | sorry, side thought... | 12:56 |
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| philiKON | so, getGlobalSiteManager() returns the global component registry | 12:56 |
| * ChrisW shuts up and listens | 12:56 | |
| philiKON | component registries have an adapters and a utilities attribute | 12:56 |
| philiKON | which are the actual adapter and utility registries | 12:56 |
| philiKON | subscribers are part of the adapter registry | 12:56 |
| ChrisW | *nods* | 12:57 |
| philiKON | adapter registries are implemented in zope.interface.adapter | 12:57 |
| philiKON | zope.interface.interfaces.IAdapterRegistry defines a "def subscriptions()" method | 12:57 |
| philiKON | this may do what you need, not sure | 12:58 |
| philiKON | alternatively, you can loop over the registrations | 12:58 |
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| ChrisW | doesn't the iterable returned by the subscriptions interface call the subscribers when you iterate over it? | 12:59 |
| philiKON | for registration_object in getGlobalSiteManager().registeredHandlers() | 12:59 |
| philiKON | right, that's why you don't loop over the subscribers but over registration objects describing each registration | 12:59 |
| philiKON | this, however, will get you information about all globally registered subscribers | 13:00 |
| philiKON | so you'll have to filter by type | 13:00 |
| ChrisW | how come the subscriptions methoddoesn't just return the subscriptions, rather than calling them? | 13:00 |
| philiKON | well, i don't know what it does | 13:01 |
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| philiKON | i suggest you try it out | 13:01 |
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| philiKON | if subscrpitions() doesn't work, try the registeredHandlers() bit + filtering | 13:01 |
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| ChrisW | were is registeredHandlers defined? | 13:03 |
| philiKON | on the site manager | 13:03 |
| philiKON | getGlobalSiteManager().registeredHandlers | 13:03 |
| ChrisW | where's ISiteManager defined? | 13:03 |
| philiKON | zope.component.interfaces | 13:03 |
| ChrisW | has no registeredHandlers method :-( | 13:04 |
| philiKON | ah dang, zope 2.9 | 13:05 |
| ChrisW | how do contextual adapters and susbcribers work? | 13:06 |
| philiKON | contextual adapters? | 13:06 |
| ChrisW | I'm guessing it's the logic in zope.component/__init__.py? | 13:06 |
| philiKON | all adapters are contextual... | 13:06 |
| ChrisW | no, in terms of finding where to look up adapter registrations, etc | 13:07 |
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| philiKON | getSiteManager() is used | 13:07 |
| ChrisW | ie: overriding adapter registrations using a "site" in a zodb | 13:07 |
| philiKON | ah right | 13:07 |
| philiKON | that's done using the "hooks" in zope.app.component.hooks | 13:07 |
| ChrisW | not in 2.9 it's not ;-) | 13:08 |
| philiKON | basically, zope.component.getSiteManager() is overridden with another implementation | 13:08 |
| philiKON | that knows about sites | 13:08 |
| philiKON | yes | 13:08 |
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| philiKON | even in zope 2.9 | 13:08 |
| ChrisW | or is hooks a function? | 13:08 |
| philiKON | zope.app.component.hooks is a module | 13:08 |
| philiKON | and it's there in zope 2.9 | 13:08 |
| philiKON | notice *zope.app* | 13:08 |
| philiKON | not zope.component | 13:08 |
| ChrisW | ah, heh | 13:09 |
| ChrisW | I never understood the reasons for zope.app.x and zope.x | 13:09 |
| philiKON | zope.component knows nothing of locality and sites | 13:09 |
| philiKON | me neither, that's why we got rid of it | 13:09 |
| philiKON | you're preaching to the choir here | 13:09 |
| ChrisW | heh | 13:09 |
| ChrisW | so no zope.app.component anymore? | 13:09 |
| philiKON | that's not what i'm saying | 13:09 |
| philiKON | we can't just get rid of the old modules | 13:10 |
| philiKON | we just won't introduce new zope.app modules | 13:10 |
| ChrisW | ugh | 13:13 |
| ChrisW | any way they could just go away? ;-) | 13:13 |
| * philiKON remembers ChrisW whining about zope3's bad BBB behaviour a few months ago... | 13:14 | |
| ChrisW | which specific bad bit of it? ;-) | 13:15 |
| philiKON | i was just paraphrasing you | 13:15 |
| ChrisW | what's the difference between getSiteManager and getGlobalSiteManager? | 13:16 |
| philiKON | i think we've tried real hard and we nver broke BBB | 13:16 |
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| philiKON | getSiteManager returns whichever is the active one | 13:16 |
| philiKON | (could be from a site) | 13:16 |
| ChrisW | and what's the Zope 2.9 equivalent of registeredHandlers? | 13:16 |
| philiKON | getGlobalSiteManager returns, duh, the global one | 13:16 |
| philiKON | i don't know | 13:16 |
| ChrisW | :'( | 13:17 |
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| spython | hi, I need some sort of URI/ID for my persistent object so I can easily access it no matter if it's moved to another container or it's __name__ changes. Any ideas? | 14:19 |
| philiKON | intids | 14:19 |
| spython | so the __hash__ is not suitable for this? | 14:19 |
| philiKON | no | 14:19 |
| spython | k thx | 14:20 |
| philiKON | zope3 has an integer id (zope.app.intid) framework | 14:20 |
| philiKON | it's described in my book | 14:20 |
| philiKON | http://worldcookery.com | 14:20 |
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| spython | maybe i should get it | 14:20 |
| philiKON | maybe :) | 14:20 |
| wiggy | you should | 14:20 |
| spython | :D | 14:20 |
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| norro | hi | 14:21 |
| spython | hello | 14:22 |
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| timte | philiKON: thank god we have your book, what would we have done without it? :) | 14:33 |
| philiKON | written your own? :) | 14:33 |
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| spython | book seems like a good choice, relaxing reading before bed ;) | 14:45 |
| spython | But really, I like the README.txt's so far in the packages, nicely written | 14:45 |
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| spython | I've more or less written a book myself with all the notes i have :D | 14:47 |
| philiKON | put it online :) | 14:48 |
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| spython | i bet no one can understan my sloppy writing and obscure figures.. | 14:50 |
| spython | so converting to text.. ? to lazy :) | 14:50 |
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| Theuni | MJ: ping | 15:16 |
| MJ | Theuni: pong | 15:18 |
| MJ | Theuni: I am being called for lunch | 15:19 |
| MJ | Theuni: back in a bit :) | 15:19 |
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| Theuni | k | 15:19 |
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| MJ | Theuni: sup? | 15:47 |
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| Theuni | MJ: see query | 15:57 |
| MJ | what query? | 15:58 |
| MJ | Theuni: Did you email me something? | 16:01 |
| MJ | Theuni: if so, greylisting is going to delay it a bit.. | 16:02 |
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| Theuni | I used a private message window on irc. | 16:15 |
| ChrisW | you done the logi nthing on here? | 16:18 |
| ChrisW | pm don't work unless you do, annoyingly.. | 16:18 |
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| Theuni | hrn. should have been logged in. let's see. | 16:23 |
| Theuni | gnah. i wasn't. thanks for the pointer | 16:23 |
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