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| pcardune | I'm getting an AttributeError for 'thread_local' in zope.security._zope_security_checker that seems quite strange. I'll paste the traceback... | 00:23 |
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| pcardune | http://paste.lisp.org/display/46124 | 00:24 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 09:33 |
| projekt01 | Guten Morgen | 09:48 |
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| CrippsFX | romanofs1i: Guten Morgen. Wie geht's ? | 14:59 |
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| romanofs1i | CrippsFX: Sehr gut - und selber? | 15:01 |
| romanofs1i | :D | 15:01 |
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| instantfoo | ich bin ein wunderbaum | 15:01 |
| zagy_ | du stinkst? | 15:02 |
| instantfoo | ein bisschen | 15:02 |
| Theuni | ich habe einen kugelblitz in meiner unterhose | 15:02 |
| romanofski | *LOL | 15:02 |
| zagy_ | instantpoo? | 15:03 |
| instantfoo | haha, i studied german for six years and i still can't speak it properly | 15:03 |
| wiggy | Theuni: any idea what those zope.security errors are? | 15:03 |
| wiggy | it's kind of annoying that zope3 is broken like that at the moment | 15:03 |
| instantfoo | zagy_: :D | 15:03 |
| Theuni | Right. I couldn't make sense out of the immediate report. | 15:03 |
| Theuni | Is the trunk broken with any tests? | 15:03 |
| wiggy | I have no idea | 15:03 |
| Theuni | romanofsk just said it breaks for him as well. | 15:04 |
| wiggy | but if I make a new project with grokproject I get that error | 15:04 |
| wiggy | so whatever is in the cheeseshop is broken | 15:04 |
| Theuni | I guess that Jim is going to fix it soon. | 15:04 |
| Theuni | I could disable the release to avoid people getting it. | 15:04 |
| wiggy | that would be very helpful | 15:04 |
| Theuni | is it release 73262? | 15:05 |
| CrippsFX | romanofski: gut, danke ... aber, ich bin müde ;) | 15:06 |
| wiggy | zope.security 3.4.0b4 | 15:06 |
| romanofski | instantfoo: how come that niue has internet access? | 15:06 |
| Theuni | ah | 15:06 |
| CrippsFX | das ist was für Red Bull hat gemacht ;) | 15:06 |
| Theuni | thats not in cheeseshop | 15:06 |
| Theuni | that's in download.zope.org | 15:06 |
| wiggy | hmm | 15:06 |
| wiggy | that's what grokproject uses | 15:06 |
| romanofski | yay | 15:07 |
| wiggy | shouldn't I use those? | 15:07 |
| Theuni | that's ok | 15:07 |
| Theuni | I'll remove that release for now with the chance that jim breaks my neck. ;) | 15:07 |
| instantfoo | romanofski: why shouldn't it? | 15:07 |
| CrippsFX | romanofski: ja :D | 15:07 |
| romanofski | instantfoo: I would love to be there now ;) | 15:07 |
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| Theuni | gnah. | 15:07 |
| romanofski | CrippsFX: :) | 15:08 |
| instantfoo | i bet you would, quite a paradise | 15:08 |
| wiggy | Theuni: he shouldn't break stuff like that ;) | 15:08 |
| romanofski | can imagine that | 15:08 |
| romanofski | happiest people live down there, i've read in a newspaper article | 15:09 |
| Theuni | I don't think Jim predicted that. | 15:10 |
| Theuni | wiggy: it's gone. | 15:15 |
| wiggy | thanks | 15:15 |
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| wiggy | I'll see if grokproject creates something stable now | 15:16 |
| romanofs1i | eek! | 15:17 |
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| Theuni | wiggy: any change? | 15:44 |
| wiggy | it's still picking up 3.4.0-b4 somewhere | 15:46 |
| wiggy | ah, buildout download cache | 15:48 |
| Theuni | i can't delete it from there ; | 15:49 |
| Theuni | ;) | 15:49 |
| wiggy | some problem occurs with b3 | 15:49 |
| Theuni | actually I think that that's the problematic thing. | 15:51 |
| Theuni | b3 was release just before that | 15:51 |
| Theuni | This is the release that includes support for python 2.5 | 15:51 |
| Theuni | that might have broken something | 15:51 |
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| wiggy | Theuni: you are onto something | 15:54 |
| wiggy | Theuni: it works with b2 | 15:54 |
| Theuni | yup | 15:55 |
| Theuni | i think it's the support for python 2.5 that breaks something somewhere in some combination ;) | 15:56 |
| Theuni | I'm not going to read C code. I've gotta do something else right now, so I hope nikhil or J1m can pick that up. | 15:56 |
| Theuni | I wonder whether to remove b3 as well. I wish there was an easy way to let people disable those locally. | 15:57 |
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| wiggy | I stuck a ==3.0.4b2 in my buildout.cfg | 15:58 |
| wiggy | 3.4.0b2 that is | 15:58 |
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| Theuni | that's ok | 16:00 |
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| Theuni | wiggy: can you give me like the exact line and maybe one or two lines of context from your buildout.cfg? | 16:02 |
| wiggy | unchanged from what grokproject creates except for zope.security ==3.4.0b2 added to eggs= | 16:03 |
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| Theuni | i don't have any of those files around right now, i'd like to mention this in a post, so some context would be nice | 16:03 |
| wiggy | http://paste.plone.org/16261 | 16:03 |
| Theuni | thanks | 16:04 |
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| CrippsFX | can somebody tell me what the indication of the error "- Warning: zope.tal.taldefs.METALError: macro u'context/@@standard_macros/view' has incompatible mode 'html', at line 2, column 1" is? ... I need to know what it is so that I can fix the bloody view. | 16:11 |
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| CrippsFX | morning spython. | 16:13 |
| spython | hi | 16:13 |
| spython | how's that METAL error sorting out :) | 16:13 |
| romanofs1i | that looks creepy | 16:13 |
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| CrippsFX | romanofski: what? The good morning? du bist irrisch ;) | 16:16 |
| benji | CrippsFX: IIRC ZPT has two modes, xml and http; thats the only clue I have | 16:17 |
| CrippsFX | spython: still no luck ... by the way, here's all the code associated with it if anyone cares to take alook at it for me and offer suggestions: http://www.pastebin.ca/658210 ... I'm going for a smoke | 16:17 |
| CrippsFX | benji: k, how would I specify either/or? I'll try that when I get back in ... | 16:17 |
| spython | pass it on | 16:17 |
| benji | no idea | 16:18 |
| benji | the spec might help | 16:18 |
| spython | CrippsFX: hmm, you said you had done it earlier in another template.. ? | 16:18 |
| romanofski | CrippsFX: nah - your metal error | 16:20 |
| Ariel_Calzada | can i specify port in mkzopeinstance???? | 16:30 |
| CrippsFX | romanofski: hah .. the thing about the metal not being rendered was because I was using the wrong namespace .... that works fine now, except that METAL seems to think I'm working in html, when I really want xml | 16:31 |
| CrippsFX | benji: sorry, the spec? | 16:32 |
| Ariel_Calzada | how to create an instance to run in a specific port???? | 16:32 |
| spython | Ariel_Calzada: instance/etc/zope.conf | 16:32 |
| benji | CrippsFX: the TAL or METAL specs might mention the "mode" thing (if I'm not totally halucinating) | 16:33 |
| CrippsFX | romanofski: oh. hah, the crrepiness .... right ... my mind is all over the place right now ... I've had far too many stimulants this morning ;) | 16:33 |
| spython | you should figure out the rest | 16:33 |
| romanofski | :D | 16:33 |
| Ariel_Calzada | spython: there's a way out of this??? | 16:33 |
| CrippsFX | benji: I think you might be ;) ... I have <?xml version="1.0"?> at the beginning of my template ... ZPT should use that to figure it out, also with the xmlns tags too, correct? | 16:34 |
| benji | CrippsFX: this is mentioned in http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/ZPT.stx | 16:34 |
| CrippsFX | benji: kk, thanks, I'll give that the once-over. | 16:34 |
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| CrippsFX | spython: I've compared the template and view class I'm having trouble with to others, and I've seen no discrepancies between them ... now I just have to figure out why Zope thinks there is. | 16:37 |
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| Theuni | morning, J1m! | 16:48 |
| J1m | Morning | 16:48 |
| * Theuni goes to implement importing weak references from zexp files ... | 16:49 | |
| wiggy | J1m: do you still need a full tb for that zope.security thing? | 16:49 |
| J1m | yes | 16:50 |
| J1m | The zope.security and zope3 trunk tests pass. | 16:50 |
| J1m | I have no way of guessing what import order might have caused the problem. | 16:50 |
| wiggy | mailed | 16:51 |
| Theuni | hrn. J1m: I guess the reason for the ZODB not importing weak references yet is because it's not straight forward? | 16:53 |
| J1m | Theuni, I have no idea what you're talking about. | 16:54 |
| spython | :D | 16:54 |
| Theuni | ZODB can export persistent objects using zexp. However, it can't import them back (this is even documented as a comment in ExportImport.py) because nobody wrote a handler for that. I'm trying to figure out what to do because I have a zexp file that contains a weakref and need to read it. | 16:54 |
| Theuni | s/persistent objects/persistent weakrefs/ | 16:55 |
| J1m | ah | 16:55 |
| J1m | I have no idea. I doubt it is that difficult to handle. | 16:56 |
| J1m | What are you using persistent weakrefs for? | 16:56 |
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| Theuni | In our workflow products we have objects for process definitions and process instances. the process instances point back to their definition using a weakref. | 16:58 |
| CrippsFX | bah. I'm a freaking moron. | 16:59 |
| Theuni | Hmm. Sounds interesting. *g | 17:00 |
| CrippsFX | works now. spython: I don't know why ... but starting with the <div> tag sucks for this template ... it works in others, but not this one. When I switched over to <html> it rendered exactly the way I wanted from the start. I wonder why ... | 17:00 |
| spython | could you paste a template where starting with div works? | 17:03 |
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| spython | I'm trying my own ZPT stuff here.. and <div xmlns ... > works :) | 17:07 |
| J1m | Man, I really need to figure out a way to catch circular imports. | 17:10 |
| J1m | Python makes them far to easy to create and they are bug magnets. | 17:10 |
| CrippsFX | J1m: yeah, I know eh? That's gotta be the biggest problem that I've found with spython ... er, I mean, python ;) | 17:12 |
| CrippsFX | spython: yeah, should work ... I dunno why it didn't ... maybe I'll try again later .... but for now, all I'm saying is "hooray! .... PFM!" ... smoketime!!! | 17:12 |
| J1m | what is spython? | 17:13 |
| spython | i am | 17:13 |
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| spython | hmm, spython seems to be a spyware program :) | 17:14 |
| wiggy | J1m: not harder than in lets say C or C++ | 17:14 |
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| spython | ifndef, define, endif :D | 17:16 |
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| CrippsFX | hallo philiKON, wie geht's | 17:34 |
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| CrippsFX | spython: yeah, I *re-switched* the <html> to <div> and it works now. I know stuff has changed since I started, I just can't remember what ;) | 18:37 |
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| faassen | Theuni: why did you leave zope.security 3.4.0b4 on the server at all? | 18:56 |
| faassen | Theuni: it's broken, right? why not remove it? | 18:56 |
| faassen | Theuni: where is b5? i'm still getting b4. | 18:59 |
| * Theuni looks | 19:00 | |
| Theuni | Hmm. I don't see b5 on the downloadserver. | 19:00 |
| faassen | how are other people trying b5? | 19:00 |
| faassen | everybody seems convinced there's a b5. | 19:00 |
| faassen | but it's not there. | 19:01 |
| faassen | so how do the other people get this b5 in the first place? | 19:01 |
| Theuni | Jim made one, it looks like he didn't uplaod it. I'll get the package from the tag and upload it. | 19:01 |
| faassen | :) | 19:01 |
| Theuni | try now | 19:03 |
| faassen | got it now, thanks. | 19:06 |
| Theuni | J1m: sorry if i got in your way. | 19:08 |
| J1m | no, I misstyped and scp command. | 19:09 |
| J1m | You didn't get in my way. | 19:09 |
| J1m | You confused me, but I deserved it. :) | 19:09 |
| Theuni | Sorry for deserving it. :) | 19:09 |
| J1m | freaking circular imports | 19:09 |
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| J1m | I wish Python didn't allow them. | 19:09 |
| Theuni | yeah, i hate those too | 19:10 |
| J1m | They are a huge bug magnet. | 19:10 |
| Theuni | If we could make money out of bugs ... | 19:10 |
| faassen | I've just posted a message concerning possibly future procedures for a situation with an egg that breaks zope. | 19:10 |
| J1m | note that I tested this withe the z3 trunk. | 19:10 |
| J1m | with the | 19:10 |
| J1m | circular imports cause breakage that depends on import order. | 19:11 |
| J1m | so a single app can be broken when most others work. | 19:11 |
| faassen | I think if releasing a fixed version isn't possible within a time frame of an hour or so, removing the egg from the server may be the simplest thing to do. see my mail for my reasoning. | 19:11 |
| J1m | very subtle and annopying. | 19:11 |
| faassen | ah, that sucks. | 19:11 |
| faassen | yeah, I couldn't see the problem immediatelyw hen reviewing the broken code. | 19:11 |
| faassen | I mean it seemed to import something that was already there. | 19:11 |
| faassen | so why the error. but yeah, those are annoying, circular imports. | 19:12 |
| J1m | The error resulted from the import order that grok happened to use. | 19:12 |
| faassen | ah, subtle. | 19:12 |
| Theuni | Wouldn't there be a way to customize the import hook to disallow circular imports? | 19:12 |
| J1m | Maybe z3 sues that order too fort all I know. | 19:12 |
| faassen | the order would be a complete coincidence, any z3-based app could use it. | 19:13 |
| J1m | Theuni, I think that might be possible, but would take some effort. | 19:13 |
| faassen | Theuni: in some cases I resort (out of expedience) to a in-function or in-method circular import. | 19:13 |
| J1m | I think what's needed is to warn when circular imports are encountered during testing. | 19:13 |
| J1m | We will have to tolerate circular imports in code we don't control. | 19:13 |
| Theuni | ah. true. | 19:14 |
| faassen | so it's not really circular as the import thing has already been resolved by the time the function is being executed. | 19:14 |
| Theuni | faassen: right. you can also use lazy imports for that. | 19:14 |
| J1m | faassen, I don't see how a import could be circular within a method or function. | 19:14 |
| faassen | J1m: right, it's not really circular, i'ts just that it looks circular as A imports B which then turns around and imports A, on a physical source-code level. | 19:15 |
| faassen | J1m: but I guess that woudln't be detected by any circular import checker. | 19:15 |
| J1m | In any case, I think there are very few when circular imports are justified. | 19:15 |
| J1m | few cases. | 19:16 |
| J1m | circular imports cause latent bugs that are effectively impossible to test for. | 19:16 |
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| junkafarian | hi, how can i proxy my FTP server through apache? | 20:34 |
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| junkafarian | eg using virtual hosting? | 20:39 |
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| afd_ | junkafarian: you'll probably need to run a ftp server that knows how to proxy requests, if you run multiple ftp servers and need to suport virtual hosts, or do a firewall forwarding if you don't | 20:59 |
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| junkafarian | afd_: yeah i figured it wouldnt be as easy as apache | 21:01 |
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| junkafarian | is there a zope endorsed solution? | 21:03 |
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