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| tjs | is there a counterpart to dottedname.resolve.resolve() that actaully takes a class and returns a dotted name? | 04:43 |
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| srichter | tjs: Klass.__module__ + '.' + Klass.__name__ | 04:46 |
| tjs | heh, to easy :) | 04:47 |
| tjs | ty | 04:47 |
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| wiggy | there's a convenience method or 3 out there as well | 09:46 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 10:17 |
| kushal | baijum, | 10:17 |
| baijum | Hi kushal | 10:17 |
| kushal | baijum, at last started learning :) | 10:17 |
| baijum | kushal, good. feel free to ask questions in this channel or zope3-users list :) | 10:19 |
| kushal | baijum, ok | 10:19 |
| baijum | kushal, BTW, are you using zopeproject or tar ball ? | 10:20 |
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| kushal | baijum, I installed the tarball | 10:21 |
| baijum | kushal, ah. ok, but I would suggest zopeproject, see my screencast: http://www.baijum.info/z3/screencasts/zopeproject.html (updated version) | 10:22 |
| kushal | checking | 10:24 |
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| kushal | baijum, cool, finished | 10:29 |
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| kushal | baijum, going for lunch, will come back and talk | 10:30 |
| baijum | ok | 10:30 |
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| kushal | back | 10:45 |
| kushal | baijum, it is cool | 10:45 |
| baijum | thanks! | 10:52 |
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| kushal | baijum, virtualenv is not installing | 10:54 |
| baijum | kushal, what is the error coming, can you paste it here: http://paste.lisp.org/new/zope3-dev | 10:55 |
| kushal | baijum, doing | 10:55 |
| kushal | got it, they blocked my Internet connection for the virtual system | 10:57 |
| baijum | ok | 10:57 |
| baijum | kushal, btw, virtualenv is not mandatory, but an isolated working environment is always good while exploring something new. | 11:01 |
| kushal | baijum, ok | 11:01 |
| kushal | baijum, I also have zopeproject for grok iirc | 11:01 |
| baijum | kushal, that is grokproject, very similar to zopeproject (I guess grokproject will use zopeproject in future) | 11:03 |
| kushal | oh | 11:03 |
| kushal | my mistake :) | 11:03 |
| kushal | baijum, everything is installed properly | 11:05 |
| baijum | good | 11:06 |
| baijum | BTW, are you using zc.buildout's 'eggs-directory' option, see my post: http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20551.html | 11:07 |
| baijum | It would be better to use 'eggs-directory' option, so that buildout can make use already downloaded eggs | 11:08 |
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| kushal | checking | 11:11 |
| kushal | baijum, I took the default option and directory for eggs | 11:13 |
| baijum | kushal, ok, next time onwards use that option in your global configuration ($HOME/.buildout/default.cfg) so that all your buildouts can share eggs | 11:14 |
| kushal | baijum, ok | 11:15 |
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| ignas | hi | 14:25 |
| ignas | anyone familiar with i18n workings of zope3? | 14:26 |
| ignas | in tal templates | 14:26 |
| ignas | do i need i18n:translate="" for tags that contain "msgids coming from sourcecode" and "literal strings that i want translated" | 14:28 |
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| ignas | or just for literal strings | 14:28 |
| algenis | hola | 14:28 |
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| Cripps | moin :P | 16:09 |
| Cripps | ... I'm getting some interesting behaviour here ... when I pass ensureUtility() a name="catalog" option, it adds the utility to MySite.getSiteManager()['default'] with a uuid ... | 16:11 |
| Cripps | ... wait a second ... that has to do with something I wrote :/ | 16:11 |
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| Cripps | morning J1m | 16:17 |
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| Cripps | okay, now here's a doozy: I have overrided the default ContainerNameChooser with a uuid generator. Because of this, my siteManager uses my uuid generator. How would I go about getting the siteManager to either 1)not use the default name chooser, or 2)use specified names for objects on object creation ? | 16:28 |
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| ignas | Cripps: do not override the default name chooser? | 16:28 |
| ignas | might help ... | 16:28 |
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| Cripps | ignas: is that the *only* way to get the site manager to not use the uuids? | 16:29 |
| ignas | not the *only*, but the right one ... | 16:29 |
| Cripps | ah. | 16:29 |
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| ignas | you can add an if in your namechooser that checks for the type of the context | 16:30 |
| ignas | and does different things for different objects | 16:30 |
| ignas | but that would be *wrong* | 16:30 |
| Cripps | hahaha. | 16:30 |
| Cripps | yeah ... pretty much the *only* thing that doesn't use the uuids is the siteManager ... | 16:31 |
| Cripps | but, I guess I'll go back and *not* override the NameChooser, and see how that turns out. | 16:31 |
| Cripps | Thanks. | 16:31 |
| ignas | usually you add a namechoser for some interface | 16:32 |
| ignas | and apply that interface to containers | 16:32 |
| ignas | that should use the namechooser in zcml | 16:32 |
| ignas | instead of overriding the global one | 16:32 |
| Cripps | ignas: get this: the interface my name chooser is declared for is "zope.app.container.interfaces.IContainer" ... heh ;) | 16:33 |
| ignas | not a good idea | 16:33 |
| Cripps | and I'm learning precisely why right now. | 16:33 |
| Cripps | so the best idea, then, is to make a marker interface, and apply that interface to the containers I want to use my uuid generator ... correct? | 16:34 |
| ignas | yes | 16:34 |
| ignas | explicitly | 16:34 |
| ignas | through <class> directive in zcml for example | 16:35 |
| Cripps | sounds reasonable then. I guess I'll work on it. | 16:35 |
| Cripps | yes ... <class class=MyClass><Implements="MyUUID.Marker.Interface"/></class> | 16:36 |
| Cripps | ... more or less. | 16:36 |
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| sureshvv | question on formlib... how to I get the error messages to be displayed in local language | 16:39 |
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| mgedmin | sureshvv: by using ugly hacks | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | actually, wait a second, aren't these already messageids? | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | I recall Zope 3 doing not-nice things like MyErrorClass.__doc__ = _("Error message") | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | next to the definition of MyErrorClass | 16:59 |
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| srichter | J1m: when was the ZF election? | 17:01 |
| srichter | I did not receive an invite to vote | 17:01 |
| sureshvv | mgedmin: formlib still displays "There were errors" in English even though the messages on the field shows up correctly in Dutch | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | that's strange, since zope.formlib.form has | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | self.status = _('There were errors') | 17:02 |
| mgedmin | so it should be translated | 17:02 |
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| sureshvv | mgedmin... I checked the .po file and the corresponding messages there are blank | 17:04 |
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| mgedmin | does't blank mean "use the original because there's no translation"? | 17:11 |
| markusleist | is there a subscriber-point for shutdown-notice a zope3-application (like handler=".bootstrap.bootStrapSubscriberDatabase" which is called on startup)? | 17:16 |
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| mgedmin | I think not | 18:07 |
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| J1m | mgedmin, I think there might be. I think shutdown might actually be done via an event. | 18:16 |
| markusleist | Aha, which event? | 18:16 |
| J1m | don't know :) I'd have to look it up. | 18:17 |
| markusleist | ... i have some threads and have to shutdown them "clean", by calling a special thread_stop-function | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | there's IProcessStartingEvent and IDatabaseOpenedEvent, but I don't see their opposites | 18:19 |
| J1m | Nope, utilities are used instead. | 18:22 |
| J1m | No event. | 18:22 |
| J1m | Sorry. | 18:22 |
| J1m | You could create your own utility that wrapped the existing onces and generated an event. | 18:22 |
| J1m | (See IServerControl.) | 18:23 |
| markusleist | ok, thanks | 18:23 |
| philiKON | J1m: i think IServerControl should go | 18:27 |
| philiKON | well, or at least we can't rely on it being there anymore | 18:27 |
| philiKON | e.g. with paste deployment, zope isn't in charge of the process anymore | 18:28 |
| philiKON | it can't possibly know how it's being invoked and how to shut down the process | 18:28 |
| J1m | I think the original use case is valid. | 18:28 |
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| philiKON | (i think this part of the application controller is a classical example of how zope thinks of itself as owning the app space) | 18:29 |
| philiKON | what's the original use case? | 18:29 |
| J1m | Control the process through the web. | 18:29 |
| J1m | There should be a way to satisfy that use case. | 18:30 |
| philiKON | ok. if that use case is valid, then it sure isn't zope's business | 18:30 |
| philiKON | whichever provides the process management, e.g. paste, should provide the means | 18:30 |
| J1m | There's been a proposal from the CherryPy guy to define an event system to provide or integrate with this sort of control. | 18:30 |
| J1m | Then it also needs to provide hooks. | 18:31 |
| J1m | a server control implementation could then use these hooks. | 18:31 |
| philiKON | sounds sensible | 18:31 |
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| J1m | Regardless, there really should be a shutdown event. | 18:31 |
| ignas | how is i18n extract treating zcml conditionals? is it exploring both branches? | 18:31 |
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| philiKON | ignas: probably not | 18:32 |
| philiKON | ignas: at least i doubt. but iw ould just try it out :) | 18:32 |
| philiKON | J1m: i wonder if we can guarantee that it'll be dispatched upon hitting Ctrl-C in the shell... | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | why not? KeyboardInterrupt can be caught | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | well, if you use paste or something, then things do get interesting | 18:34 |
| philiKON | yup | 18:34 |
| philiKON | i just think zope should stop pretending to own the app/process entirely. that said, i'm all for covering the use cases, but probably they're best implemented at a different level now | 18:34 |
| ignas | like a wsgi middleware that adds server control? | 18:35 |
| ignas | process control | 18:35 |
| philiKON | if a middleware could do it, then the app could do it as well | 18:36 |
| philiKON | i think the gateway has to provide this functionality | 18:36 |
| ignas | oh, just thought about it | 18:36 |
| philiKON | and some gateways will probably unlike provide it... like, apache :) | 18:36 |
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| J1m | philiKON, This is s didcussion for the web-sig list, after reviewing the existing proposal. | 18:46 |
| philiKON | yeah | 18:47 |
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| Cripps | I'm passing a string into ensureUtility as the name for my catalog (i.e. name="catalog") ... but I'm getting a failure/traceback from the nameChooser utility (the Zope default name chooser) that says "type object Catalog has no attribute 'rfind'" ... the call I make to ensureUtility is: ensureUtility(event.object, ICatalog, Catalog, Catalog, name="catalog"); Catalog was imported from zope.app.catalog.catalog .... if Catalog is not the right th | 18:49 |
| Cripps | ing to use for 'type' then what is? | 18:49 |
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| philiKON | Cripps: ensureutility isn't an official API. we'd have to read its source, which is something you could as well :) | 18:52 |
| Cripps | philiKON: it has been something that I've been doing, trying to figure it out. | 18:52 |
| philiKON | anyway, rfind is something usually found on strings | 18:52 |
| Cripps | that's odd, though ... if it's in the zope *core* why isn't it *official* API? | 18:52 |
| philiKON | lots of stuff is in the zope core | 18:53 |
| ignas | name = chooser.chooseName(utility_type, utility) | 18:53 |
| ignas | looks fishy | 18:53 |
| philiKON | yeah, definitely | 18:53 |
| philiKON | Cripps: look up the definition for chooseName() | 18:53 |
| philiKON | takes an object and a name | 18:53 |
| philiKON | (not necessarily in that order) | 18:53 |
| philiKON | anyway, ensureUtility isn't official until it's actually documented in an interface | 18:53 |
| ignas | a name and an object | 18:53 |
| Cripps | ah | 18:53 |
| ignas | so i guess utility_type might be a string | 18:53 |
| Cripps | interesting. if that's the case, I wonder what I should be using for the utility_type string ... that's something I can probably figure out on my own. | 18:54 |
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| Cripps | ahhhh ... I see exactly. Yeah, utility_type is a poorly named variable. If utility_type is passed in, and expected to be a string, name='' shouldn't even *be* in that function declaration. | 18:56 |
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| ignas | it should be | 18:56 |
| ignas | the name is used for lookup | 18:56 |
| Cripps | ah ... | 18:57 |
| ignas | and the type is used to *generate* the new name | 18:57 |
| Cripps | well, in the very least, there should be a check done on name. | 18:57 |
| ignas | there are no guarantees that the name of your new utility will be identical to the type | 18:57 |
| Cripps | if name is '': <generate new name>; elif name is not '': <do checks OR return name> | 18:57 |
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| ignas | name is the "registration name" | 18:58 |
| Cripps | I might do that after hours when I'm not getting paid for it. | 18:58 |
| ignas | and name generated by nameChooser is "storage name" | 18:58 |
| ignas | not like it's sane | 18:58 |
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| Cripps | it still doesn't make sense for there to be two variables that hold *the same thing* on a function that should check for existence and make a new thing if it doesn't exist. | 18:59 |
| ignas | just as having deprecation warnings in the code that is not a part of Zope3 API | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | I'm sure they hold *slightly different things* | 18:59 |
| ignas | they are not *the same thing* | 18:59 |
| Cripps | well, the Deprecation warning there only explicitly mentions "asObject=False" | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | it's just that nobody here knows what they'e supposed to be | 19:00 |
| Cripps | mgedmin: that is a valid point. | 19:00 |
| ignas | Cripps: yes, but even the fact that the warning is in there is not really normal, i mean - if it's not public API, how can it be deprecated ... | 19:00 |
| Cripps | I don't understand the second half of that statement ... it sounds like you're arguing my side in there. | 19:02 |
| Cripps | okay ... either way: I got the issue fixed with my call ... | 19:04 |
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| Cripps | I think that I'll go over zope.app.appsetup.bootstrap.py in some of my off time and see what I can do to clean stuff up and/or make it more understandable. | 19:05 |
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| mgedmin | yay | 19:08 |
| Cripps | yeah, that would be nice, wouldn't it? :) | 19:09 |
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| Cripps | wow. Here at work, Imma have to sift through a lot of crap to make sure everything gets set up properly on application instantiatin ... I have *a lot* of work ahead of me ;) | 19:11 |
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| Cripps | yish ... we've written about400k of code this summer ... | 19:16 |
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| * Cripps sighs | 19:22 | |
| Cripps | ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass zope.app.intid.interfaces.IIntIds>, '') ... can't you at leas tell me which file and line number this exception was raised in? | 19:23 |
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| Cripps | oh well ... classtime again. | 19:24 |
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| srichter | mkerrin: thanks for helping out with z3c.form! | 21:08 |
| agroszer | hi srichter! | 21:11 |
| srichter | agroszer: hey | 21:11 |
| srichter | agroszer: ready for the travel? :-) | 21:11 |
| agroszer | has Roger arrived? | 21:11 |
| agroszer | nothing packed yet :-) | 21:11 |
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| srichter | agroszer: he should be here in about an hour; but he has a rental car, so I will not pick him up | 21:12 |
| agroszer | good | 21:13 |
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| mkerrin | srichter: no problem - by the way I have another security related problem - the same one just reported to the zope3-users list - that I need some input | 21:19 |
| srichter | mkerrin: ok, shoot | 21:19 |
| mkerrin | a) can I just add the security declarations to zcml without tests and b) zope.View or zope.Public | 21:19 |
| srichter | a) I am okay with that | 21:20 |
| srichter | b) depends on what you want to do | 21:20 |
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| mkerrin | a) cool - the test would not be nice to write | 21:21 |
| srichter | yep, testing security with unit tests is extremely hard | 21:22 |
| mkerrin | b) I just need access to some attributes so I think that the zope.Public permission is fine - the user should have already gone through the security mechanism | 21:22 |
| mkerrin | as the problem only relates on displaying error messages | 21:22 |
| srichter | ok, then sure | 21:23 |
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| mkerrin | cool so just have to fix it now | 21:25 |
| srichter | great, thanks | 21:25 |
| srichter | mkerrin: is it the same problem Yuan HOng reported? | 21:25 |
| mkerrin | yipe | 21:26 |
| srichter | ok, great | 21:26 |
| srichter | the second error he sees is due to the fact that sometimes widget is None, so that the templates need to have "|nothing" after the label call | 21:26 |
| srichter | (even better probably; the error view snippet update() method should try to extract the label | 21:27 |
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| Cripps | alright: I win for now ... but alas, it is time for me to head off home. Cheers for now guys. | 21:29 |
| mkerrin | maybe - I am not seeing this - once I give access to the widgets then everything works for me and I getting the same problems (so text / textarea widgets) | 21:30 |
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| agroszer | good night | 21:39 |
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