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| WebMaven | what do I need to do to set up svn:ignore rules? | 00:34 |
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| WebMaven | specifially, for egg-based zope developement? | 00:35 |
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| mgedmin | in ~/.subversion/config's [miscellany] section | 00:41 |
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| WebMaven | how do I undo an svn add before I commit? | 01:19 |
| mgedmin | svn revert | 01:20 |
| mgedmin | (I also always make a backup copy, because I've lost data in the past due to misapplications of svn revert) | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | (but IIRC svn add filename; svn revert filename doesn't delete the file, just makes it unversioned) | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | (note "IIRC": don't blame me if it decides to delete the file too) | 01:22 |
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| tjs | z3 is a wsgi app right? | 01:51 |
| mgedmin | z3 can be deployed as a wsgi app | 01:52 |
| tjs | was wondering if anyone has tried running zope on http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/ | 01:52 |
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| WebMaven | what is the pattern for svn:ignore-ing a directory? | 02:27 |
| hazmat | WebMaven, its a regex | 02:28 |
| WebMaven | well, I tried *.egg-info | 02:28 |
| hazmat | WebMaven, works for me | 02:29 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. | 02:29 |
| hazmat | svn stat src/getpaid.core.egg-info/ | 02:29 |
| hazmat | I src/getpaid.core.egg-info | 02:29 |
| WebMaven | right, but I want it ignored... | 02:30 |
| WebMaven | and I still get this: | 02:30 |
| WebMaven | $ svn status | 02:30 |
| WebMaven | ? bin | 02:30 |
| WebMaven | M . | 02:30 |
| WebMaven | ? src/z3c.weblog.egg-info | 02:30 |
| mgedmin | strange | 02:31 |
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| WebMaven | 'thought' | 02:34 |
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| edgordon_ | should i use the intid, or is there a drawback to just referencing the object itself as the attribute value? | 06:08 |
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| ThomasKarlRichte | moin | 10:38 |
| ThomasKarlRichte | markus: wie gehts | 10:40 |
| Basti_ | please speak in english :) | 10:41 |
| ThomasKarlRichte | basti: sorry i had too less sleep in the night | 10:41 |
| Basti_ | no problem ;) | 10:42 |
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| jodok | Theuni: it seems like roger released some faulty eggs yesterday. can you give me access to pypi? | 11:07 |
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| Theuni | depends on what you want to do =) | 11:09 |
| jodok | Theuni: make a new (correct) egg | 11:12 |
| jodok | Theuni: that | 11:12 |
| jodok | that's fucking annoying if eggs are beeing removed, faulty eggs are beeing release | 11:12 |
| jodok | we've got several employees and customers that depend on a working distribution. the current pratice is not working :( | 11:13 |
| Theuni | jupp | 11:13 |
| Theuni | Tell me which eggs you need. I still can't give access to everything at once, I can enable those that don't work for you. | 11:14 |
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| jodok | zope.app.appsetup | 11:14 |
| jodok | zope.app.applicationcontrol | 11:14 |
| Theuni | Hmm. I thought they wanted to fix those yesterday. :( | 11:14 |
| Theuni | Because they broke it the day before ... | 11:14 |
| jodok | zope.app.session | 11:14 |
| Theuni | what's your cheeseshop name? | 11:15 |
| jodok | batlogg | 11:15 |
| Theuni | k, i gave you acecss to those three packages | 11:16 |
| jodok | thanks Theuni | 11:17 |
| regebro | Huh? Why does from "p4a.ploneevent.recurrence" import interface not behave the same at "import interface" when I'm in p4a.ploneevent.recurrence? | 11:21 |
| regebro | Both gives no error message, but when I use the later one to implements(interface.AnINterface) the later adapter lookup doesn't find it. | 11:21 |
| regebro | (I mean "interfaces" not "interface") | 11:22 |
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| jodok | Theuni: zope.app.error as well please :( | 11:38 |
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| Theuni | you already have that :) | 11:51 |
| jodok | Theuni: philiKON hats erledigt. danke | 11:54 |
| Theuni | cool. thanks for taking time to provide the updated eggs. | 12:04 |
| Theuni | philiKON: ping | 12:05 |
| philiKON | Theuni: pong | 12:05 |
| philiKON | Theuni: ? | 12:07 |
| Theuni | you said there's already a way to make buildout pickup the versions= from a URL. I can't find where you originally said that and maybe said how that works. | 12:09 |
| philiKON | you say extends = url | 12:10 |
| philiKON | in [buildout] | 12:10 |
| philiKON | and then refer to that configurationf ile's version section | 12:10 |
| philiKON | version = section-name-in-url | 12:10 |
| Theuni | hm | 12:11 |
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| regebro | Mmm. What a lovely error message " ConfigurationError: ('Invalid value for', 'class', '3')" | 12:15 |
| regebro | That means I had both "default" and "required" in a field configuration. :-) | 12:15 |
| regebro | No, scratch that. It didn't. It means something else. | 12:16 |
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| regebro | Aha. It means "The default value is not in the vocabulary". :-) | 12:23 |
| Theuni | yeah | 12:23 |
| Theuni | i stumbled over something like this today as well | 12:24 |
| Theuni | when giving a default (5000) and a maximum (5) | 12:24 |
| Theuni | It said Invalid value for 'class', (5000, 5) | 12:24 |
| regebro | It's the "class" that confuses, basically. | 12:24 |
| Theuni | that was helpful :) | 12:24 |
| Theuni | yes | 12:24 |
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| baijum | philiKON: I hope you have seen this: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/browse_thread/thread/66f9ecffa30831dc | 12:46 |
| Theuni | philiKON: did we have consensus of what the version number in setup.py on the trunk has to be? | 12:46 |
| philiKON | baijum: what is this? | 12:46 |
| philiKON | Theuni: no | 12:46 |
| Theuni | k | 12:46 |
| * Theuni continues the bumping frenzy | 12:46 | |
| baijum | Mentor organization payment details | 12:47 |
| philiKON | baijum: i can't see this, i'm not a member... | 12:47 |
| philiKON | ah | 12:47 |
| baijum | Who is our admin, Aroldo ? please pass it to him | 12:47 |
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| philiKON | Theuni, jukart: hey, anybody planning an sqlalchemy 0.2 release? | 13:34 |
| philiKON | Theuni, jukart: i could use one | 13:34 |
| philiKON | of course, i meant z3c.zalchemy | 13:34 |
| jukart | philiKON: I don't plan on this but I think Theuni will :) | 13:35 |
| philiKON | Theuni: so, any plans? can i make one? | 13:36 |
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| Theuni | philiKON: uh. what would that involve? | 14:19 |
| Theuni | i'm currently out of sync | 14:19 |
| philiKON | Theuni: not sure. you could make me a pypi owner and i could take care of it | 14:19 |
| philiKON | i need it next week | 14:19 |
| Theuni | gimme a second to get oriented | 14:20 |
| philiKON | sure | 14:20 |
| Theuni | Ah. The question is whether the current 0.2 is working. For us (gocept) it does. | 14:20 |
| Theuni | We'd be happy to cut an 0.2 release. | 14:20 |
| philiKON | cool | 14:21 |
| philiKON | so you'll take care of it then? | 14:21 |
| Theuni | we can do that, you can do that oo | 14:21 |
| Theuni | s/oo/too/ | 14:22 |
| philiKON | c'mon great leader, make a decision for me :) | 14:23 |
| philiKON | i'd be happy to do it, i'd just like to avoid peeing in your pool | 14:23 |
| Theuni | i can pee in the pool, you can pee in the pool *g | 14:23 |
| Theuni | zagy will pee! | 14:24 |
| zagy | yes | 14:24 |
| zagy | *pee* | 14:24 |
| philiKON | yay | 14:24 |
| * philiKON wonders why it currently started smelling like ammonia | 14:24 | |
| Theuni | *bash* | 14:24 |
| philiKON | s/currently/just/ | 14:24 |
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| zagy | philiKON: done | 14:36 |
| philiKON | zagy: merci! | 14:36 |
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| __gotcha | can someone tell me if blobstorage supports zeo ? | 14:37 |
| __gotcha | zagy interesting | 14:37 |
| zagy | yes i can tell you | 14:37 |
| zagy | ;) | 14:37 |
| __gotcha | zagy: tell me please ;-) | 14:37 |
| zagy | well __gotcha .... you missed the foreplay, so to speak ;) | 14:37 |
| zagy | __gotcha: yes it does support ZEO | 14:38 |
| __gotcha | I suppose so | 14:38 |
| __gotcha | good | 14:38 |
| zagy | __gotcha: even with a shared directory if you happen to mount the blob-storage path via nfs | 14:38 |
| philiKON | yes, blobs are grand | 14:38 |
| __gotcha | has someone ever thought of integrating tramline and blobs | 14:38 |
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| __gotcha | we looked at the code, seems more than doable | 14:39 |
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| philiKON | __gotcha: do it do it do it :) | 14:43 |
| __gotcha | philiKON: sure | 14:43 |
| __gotcha | I am just asking if someone thought about it | 14:43 |
| __gotcha | and found out it was really hard | 14:43 |
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| Theuni | nah | 14:46 |
| Theuni | should be really easy | 14:46 |
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| Theuni | __gotcha: the two methods you need are 'consumeFile' and 'committed' | 14:53 |
| Theuni | that's all you need to make tramline and blobs communicate | 14:53 |
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| Theuni | srichter: ping | 15:17 |
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| Theuni | It looks like z3c.form can't deal with sources, is that right? | 15:18 |
| srichter | Theuni: pong | 15:18 |
| srichter | Theuni: I have not tried | 15:18 |
| srichter | Theuni: should be an easy fix though, right | 15:18 |
| Theuni | unfortunately not exactly | 15:20 |
| Theuni | vocabularies and sources are entangled in an unfortunate way | 15:20 |
| Theuni | zagy and i are looking at it right now | 15:20 |
| Theuni | just wanted to find out what the status from your point of view is. | 15:20 |
| Theuni | we'll try to come up with a solution. | 15:20 |
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| srichter | Theuni: btw, for all what I care, you don;t have to work in branches | 15:22 |
| Theuni | k | 15:22 |
| Theuni | we're doing that when we don't know what we are doing | 15:22 |
| srichter | ok :-) | 15:22 |
| srichter | Theuni: I review all checkins anyways, so I Am not too worried, especially with you guys | 15:23 |
| Theuni | :) | 15:23 |
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| Theuni | srichter: hmm. our main conclusion is that vocabularies have to die. | 15:37 |
| Theuni | As this is going to be a larger task, I'll try to find an intermediate solution. | 15:37 |
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| Theuni | Ah. I think I can fix IChoiceTerms. | 15:40 |
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| Theuni | some adaption should solve that | 15:41 |
| srichter | yep, I think so too | 15:42 |
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| Theuni | both statements? :) | 15:44 |
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| srichter | Theuni: I think both approaches are fine | 15:48 |
| srichter | Theuni: if you fix choice term to do sources, vocabs should work automatically, right? | 15:48 |
| Theuni | haha *g | 15:49 |
| Theuni | of course not | 15:49 |
| Theuni | vocabs are so broken even chuck norris would start crying ;) | 15:50 |
| Theuni | hmm | 15:50 |
| Theuni | i don't understand this interface: | 15:50 |
| Theuni | z3c.form.interfaces.ITerms | 15:50 |
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| Theuni | actually i understand the interface | 15:51 |
| Theuni | but not the base implementation | 15:51 |
| Theuni | the base implementation provides additional methods (__contains__, __iter__, __len__) | 15:51 |
| Theuni | which it shouldn't have. iterms also looks very much like the equivalent from zope.schema | 15:52 |
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| WebMaven | Theuni: zagy_: Still thinking of a Z3+SQLAlchemy sprint? | 15:54 |
| Theuni | yes, but currently not the time to plan for it :( | 15:55 |
| WebMaven | OK, just checking. | 15:55 |
| Theuni | :) | 15:56 |
| WebMaven | I also gave hazmat a heads-up. | 15:56 |
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| hexsprite_ | using extends syntax in zc.buildout i want to ADD a part... can I say parts=${buildout:parts} new-part ? or is there another way? | 16:02 |
| Theuni | i'm afraid you have to copy | 16:03 |
| hexsprite_ | too bad... ok tndx | 16:03 |
| hexsprite_ | tnx | 16:03 |
| Theuni | you could use a different variable name to emulate something like that | 16:03 |
| Theuni | e.g.: | 16:04 |
| Theuni | in your base file: | 16:04 |
| hexsprite_ | right... base-parts or something | 16:04 |
| hexsprite_ | yeah that works a lot better than copying | 16:05 |
| Theuni | exactly | 16:07 |
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| Theuni | my brain hurts :( | 16:24 |
| * wiggy suggests vodka | 16:28 | |
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| zagy_ | wodka ...yey ;) | 16:34 |
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| timte | the 'real' testbrowser is cool | 17:31 |
| timte | but I got to ask, when is it easier to write tests in python than recording tests with selenium? | 17:32 |
| benji | timte: all the time <wink> | 17:32 |
| timte | heh | 17:33 |
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| timte | benji: can you explain that a bit for a dumb and simple person? | 17:35 |
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| benji | timte: no, but I can explain it to you ;) | 17:36 |
| * timte blushes | 17:37 | |
| benji | couple things, I like doctests, doctests are good and I wouldn't use selenium if the "regular" testbrowser would work for a particular functioal test | 17:37 |
| benji | but sometimes functional tests require JavaScript, which means the "regular" testbrowser won't work, in that case you could use the "real" testbrowser instead and still have nice doctests | 17:37 |
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| timte | doctests are nice, agreed | 17:40 |
| timte | I just would expect it to be more work and take more time than recording tests. | 17:40 |
| benji | I have at least one other use case in mind as well, being able to have a doctest that is an end-user product manual and that doctest generates screenshots at intereting points that are then inlcuded when the reST is rendered, to say PDF or HTML | 17:40 |
| benji | I've found recorded tests (other than as a quick start to manually maintained tests) are more trouble than their worth | 17:41 |
| benji | of course, there's zc.testrecorder (or whatever it's name was) that can record testbrowser doctests | 17:42 |
| benji | I've also considered writting a Selenium IDE formatter that generates testbrowser doctests instead | 17:42 |
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| timte | can zc.testbrowser take screenshots? weird :) | 17:46 |
| benji | yes | 17:48 |
| benji | more specifically, it can render the current page to a PNG file | 17:50 |
| timte | is that a feature of the 'real' tests? | 17:51 |
| benji | there's a screen-shots.txt that demonstrates the feature, it's quite alpha at the moment | 17:51 |
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| philiKON | benji, rocky: way to go with that real testbrowser | 18:01 |
| rocky | hehe yeah, the real test browser is cool | 18:01 |
| rocky | yvl has been making quite some progress too | 18:01 |
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| fdrake | srichter: Can you add me to zope.app.securitypolicy on PyPI? Username "fdrake". | 18:19 |
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| srichter | fdrake: yep | 18:21 |
| fdrake | thanks! | 18:21 |
| srichter | fdrake: done | 18:22 |
| fdrake | Woohoo! | 18:23 |
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| fdrake | Now, time to get that zope.app.securitypolicy fix out... | 18:23 |
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| srichter | fdrake: thanks | 18:24 |
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| benji | philiKON: I'm really excited about it; the guys at the sprint have done a fabulous job getting the science fiction tests to pass | 18:25 |
| philiKON | cool. is it hard to set up? | 18:26 |
| benji | nope, install MozLab in your firefox, start the MozRepl component and run your tests | 18:26 |
| fdrake | zope.app.securitypolicy 3.4.2 now on PyPI. | 18:26 |
| benji | I'm considering automating the "launch the browser and start MozRepl" part, but it's not hard without it | 18:26 |
| benji | fdrake: thanks | 18:27 |
| philiKON | benji: ok. i will try it out... | 18:27 |
| benji | I /believe/ I documented that part, could probably be improved though. | 18:28 |
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| projekt01 | fdrake, thanks | 18:32 |
| hexsprite | benji: did u look at testgen4web for generating testbrowser scripts from a ffox session? http://www.zenoss.com/community/docs/howtos/testgen4web-python-converting-to-python-with-testgen-convert | 18:33 |
| benji | nope, never heard of it before; I'll check it out | 18:34 |
| hexsprite | comes with a nice selenium-ish UI | 18:34 |
| hexsprite | selenium IDE i mean | 18:34 |
| benji | wow, that looks really cool | 18:34 |
| benji | I assume it's not open source | 18:34 |
| hexsprite | afaik it is | 18:34 |
| hexsprite | dunno the license | 18:35 |
| benji | ok; I'm really interested now :) | 18:35 |
| projekt01 | benji, cool thing the new testbrowser! | 18:35 |
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| benji | projekt01: thanks, I'm really excited about it; with all the Ajax in the world now, I really wanted a doctest story for functional tests of apps with heavy JS usage | 18:36 |
| projekt01 | yeah, that's sounds like a good idea. | 18:37 |
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| projekt01 | benji, I think we have now one of the greatest developer friendly test tools available with the testbrowser! | 18:38 |
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| benji | I'm pleased you think so. Hopefully others will feel the same way. :) | 18:41 |
| projekt01 | benji, here at the sprint, they do! | 18:43 |
| benji | cool | 18:43 |
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| benji | hexsprite: I need to spend some quality time with TestGen4Web and testgen-convert; many thanks for the pointer | 18:44 |
| fdrake | Does anyone know of a date-entry widget that uses three separate controls for the year, month, and day? | 18:50 |
| fdrake | We want to avoid the magically delicious date parsing of zope.datetime. :-) | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | waah, Jim was right about README.txt and CHANGES.txt | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | I have gtkeggdeps in a Bazaar repository and setuptools only supports CVS and SVN | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | it also picks up README.txt but I can't figure out the voodoo to get it to consider CHANGES.txt | 18:52 |
| projekt01 | fdrake, probably: | 18:53 |
| projekt01 | svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/z3c.widget/trunk/src/z3c/widget/dropdowndatewidget | 18:53 |
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| fdrake | projekt01: Thanks, I'll check it out. | 18:54 |
| projekt01 | fdrake, let me know if this will not fit, we have one in one of our projects | 18:56 |
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| CrippsFX | if I wanted to use pychecker on a source file in my local zope instance, how should I go about doing that? | 21:29 |
| CrippsFX | ... if I just call it straight up it doesn't find all the zope stuff | 21:29 |
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| benji | If you're using buildout, you can generate an "interpreter" script (we usually name ours "py") and run pychecker with that | 21:30 |
| CrippsFX | ... and if I'm not using buildout? | 21:31 |
| benji | you're screwed | 21:31 |
| CrippsFX | oh, well shit. | 21:31 |
| benji | heh | 21:31 |
| CrippsFX | :P | 21:31 |
| benji | if you can arrange the path to include all the bits your app needs, then it'll work | 21:31 |
| CrippsFX | hm. That might be an idea. | 21:32 |
| benji | you can probably run it with zopectl run | 21:32 |
| philiKON | basically, set it PYTHONPATH | 21:32 |
| CrippsFX | ooh, that's nice. | 21:32 |
| philiKON | s/it// | 21:32 |
| philiKON | yeah, zopectl run sets PYTHONPATH for ya | 21:32 |
| philiKON | (and does more stuff) | 21:32 |
| benji | funny, I haven't use zopectl in about a year, been using zc.buildout (and its predecessor) so long now | 21:33 |
| CrippsFX | darnit ... using zopectl run shoots back the error that I'm trying to troubleshoot ... | 21:36 |
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| srichter | benji: do you think you can do a zc.testbrowser release by Friday noon? | 21:42 |
| srichter | benji: would be good for the guys to see their work being released | 21:42 |
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| benji | srichter: I think so | 21:44 |
| srichter | benji: thanks | 21:44 |
| benji | no, thank you :) | 21:44 |
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| srichter | benji: I will take a few days next week and create the tutorial runner ;-) | 21:45 |
| benji | I look forward to playing with it with anticipation | 21:46 |
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| WebMaven | srichter: here is that link I promised: http://ejohn.org/blog/the-browser-scripting-revolution/ | 21:51 |
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