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| pan | J1m :-) | 00:12 |
| J1m | sorry, wrong window | 00:13 |
| pan | i thought so ;-) | 00:13 |
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| benji | launch attack at 05:30 | 00:15 |
| benji | oh, sorry, wrong window | 00:15 |
| pan | =) | 00:16 |
| pan | fast question - i have users objects and message objects. messages can be for all users or just for some of them. how should it be implemented, if later i want to show users all messages that are for all, and messages that are only for him? | 00:18 |
| pan | should i use annotations and put on every message list of users for later searching? | 00:19 |
| pan | and just look for messages that have empty list (thats for all), and look for messages where in annotations is name of this user? | 00:20 |
| pan | or perhaps i should create some 'connecting' folder and put there objects matching user and message. but it will be realtion db solution i think... | 00:21 |
| bigkevmcd | you could add the messages to the user object? | 00:27 |
| bigkevmcd | i.e. store them in a "messages" container which is a subobject of the user? | 00:27 |
| bigkevmcd | or at least, somewhere that you can easily discern the path based upon the user? | 00:27 |
| pan | but some messages are for few users, and some are for all users | 00:28 |
| pan | and some can be only for one user, and then your solution would be ok. bet there is more cases... | 00:28 |
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| bigkevmcd | ok...so, catalog the message_users attribute, and search? | 00:29 |
| pan | as i understand you want to create user object, where i will keep all data about user (username,login,pass,name, and so on), and this object would be also container (folder), where subfolder would be messages, right? | 00:29 |
| pan | < bigkevmcd> ok...so, catalog the message_users attribute, and search? - ok, but how this search should like? shoulw i create new object, where i will store just name of user and subject of message? and later search on those 2 keys? | 00:31 |
| bigkevmcd | I don't think you need to? | 00:31 |
| bigkevmcd | Catalog the messages? | 00:31 |
| bigkevmcd | does a message know the users it's intended for? | 00:31 |
| pan | yes. message can have field List, like that: | 00:32 |
| pan | test = List( | 00:32 |
| pan | title=_(u"Test"), | 00:32 |
| pan | value_type=Choice(title=_(u"Testing"), vocabulary="test") | 00:32 |
| pan | ) | 00:32 |
| pan | and vocabulary="test" is utility which provide users, from Users folder | 00:32 |
| pan | so - yes - message can know the users. | 00:33 |
| pan | but how i will later find messages for those users? User will login and i have to show him messages for him. how to find them? | 00:33 |
| bigkevmcd | catalog search, index the attribute that contains the list of users | 00:33 |
| pan | but, as i understand i can find on normal Fields, not on Lists (like in this example)... am i wrong? | 00:34 |
| bigkevmcd | You should be able to search ok | 00:34 |
| pan | so... if i will put in Message object List field with users, i will be able to make search based on that? | 00:35 |
| pan | huh! how ? from ZMI i can just create index on field, chose interface and chose attribute | 00:36 |
| bigkevmcd | yes | 00:36 |
| * bigkevmcd digs for an example | 00:36 | |
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| * pan will send flowers to bigkevmcd for working example :-) | 00:37 | |
| pan | ;-) | 00:37 |
| bigkevmcd | pan: have you got philipp's book? | 00:38 |
| pan | bigkevmcd: i have | 00:39 |
| bigkevmcd | Chapter 19, is all about indexing and searching of the catalog | 00:39 |
| bigkevmcd | you want to adapt your list to a straight text string | 00:39 |
| bigkevmcd | and just index that | 00:39 |
| pan | yes, but there are only examples for simple Text | 00:39 |
| pan | not for List | 00:39 |
| benji | what little I know of indexing, it would seem that a SetIndex would be good there | 00:40 |
| pan | but i dont have text string! i have list of users connected with message. | 00:40 |
| bigkevmcd | benji: I'm not familiar with the SetIndex, but I can imagine what it does :-) | 00:40 |
| bigkevmcd | and if it does what it sounds like... | 00:40 |
| pan | what is SetIndex ;-) ? | 00:41 |
| * pan going on api page | 00:41 | |
| pan | Note: These are only interfaces that are registered with the site manager. | 00:41 |
| benji | http://svn.zope.org/zc.catalog/trunk/src/zc/catalog/setindex.txt?rev=73305&view=markup | 00:41 |
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| Pan^ | benji: it looks like what i need... can i use it in zope3? | 00:45 |
| Pan^ | ill try... | 00:45 |
| benji | most certainly | 00:45 |
| Pan^ | thanks a lot. i will try to fight with this :-) | 00:47 |
| Pan^ | but as i understand my solution is ok? on the begining i was thinking about connectiong those object in schema interfaces ... somehow, but i didnt know how ;-) | 00:48 |
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| timte | I buildout.cfg extends base.cfg and both files contain a develop= line, should they be merged or should one of them win? | 12:06 |
| timte | If | 12:06 |
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| zagy | timte: one wins | 12:20 |
| zagy | everything else would confuse me :) | 12:20 |
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| timte | because it extends I expect them to be merged | 12:21 |
| zagy | well, different options are merged | 12:21 |
| zagy | also, if develop would be merged, how would you specify to not merge it? | 12:22 |
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| timte | if I extend something I say that I want the stuff in there | 12:29 |
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| timte | if you don't want that develop egg it should probably not be in base.cfg that you extend | 12:30 |
| timte | now I had to rename devel to develeggs and then do devel=${buildout:develeggs} in both files in order to not get circular references | 12:33 |
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| timte | zagy: but it seems like parts option values are merged? | 14:25 |
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| zagy | timte: really? wuah ;) | 14:37 |
| timte | wonder if the appropriate list to send an email to would be zope-dev or zope3-users? | 14:39 |
| zagy | zope-dev | 14:40 |
| timte | then they go crazy and say that this is a list for development OF zope :) | 14:40 |
| zagy | sure | 14:41 |
| zagy | *G | 14:41 |
| baijum | timte, if it is zc.buildout don't post it to zope-dev list, instead use distutils-sig list: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig | 14:43 |
| timte | oh | 14:43 |
| timte | hmm, distutils? | 14:44 |
| timte | ok | 14:45 |
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| baijum | yep, distutils-sig | 14:46 |
| timte | baijum: but perhaps you know the answer already :) | 14:47 |
| timte | darn, I have to go | 14:47 |
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| baijum | timte: actually what you expected, merged the values ? | 14:48 |
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| baijum | or override ? | 14:49 |
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| baijum | timte, anyway..I do not understand your question well..so better to ask in that list.. | 14:51 |
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| malthe | hmm when trying to use a Zope 3 zpt macro from a Zope 2 zpt I get "Unauthorized: You are not allowed to access 'a particular list' in this context" | 15:54 |
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| timte | In a buidout, can I refer to the parent that I extend? | 17:16 |
| timte | so I can use for instance ${parent:buildout:develop} ? | 17:17 |
| thruflo | could someone point me to example usage of the zope.sendmail package? | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | hm | 17:18 |
| thruflo | i can see that there's a zcml directive defined in zope.sendmail.meta.zcml for a smtpMailer but I can't find docs on what to do with that | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | I know how to use zope.sendmail, but I'm not sure I could find an example online | 17:19 |
| thruflo | i basically want to expose a view class that sends an email... | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | the design of zope.sendmail is not the best, and I'm partially to blame | 17:19 |
| thruflo | you coded the package? | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | parts of it | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | during one of the early zope 3 sprints | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | basically, you need two zcml directives | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | one to register a mailer, and one to register a mail delivery utility | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | then in your code you getUtility(IMailDelivery, name='name-of-your-util') and hand the email message to it | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | I'll write up a short README | 17:21 |
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| thruflo | via it's send method? | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | I have working code in front of me, but it's not open source | 17:21 |
| thruflo | well let that be a lesson to you :p | 17:22 |
| thruflo | i was slightly confused by the comment in zope.sendmail.configure.zcml | 17:23 |
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| lisppaste6 | thruflo pasted "sendmail configure.zcml" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/49803 | 17:24 |
| thruflo | i would have presumed not to change the config of the zope src but to have includes app specifics like queue dir in my zope instance | 17:26 |
| thruflo | however I may not be understanding things correctly | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | no, you don't need to change anything in your zope sources | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | but you need to define those two utilities in your site.zcml | 17:27 |
| thruflo | right ok | 17:27 |
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| mgedmin | I see zope.sendmail.interfaces has some description | 17:27 |
| * thruflo nods | 17:27 | |
| mgedmin | oh dear, it's more complicated than I remembered | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | (the message formatting bit, not the actual sending bit) | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | the stdlib 'email' module is not very unicode friendly: http://mg.pov.lt/blog/unicode-emails-in-python.html | 17:35 |
| thruflo | yup, saw some discussion on that | 17:35 |
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| * thruflo discovers examples 16.3.4 & 16.3.5 in web component development 2nd edn | 17:48 | |
| thruflo | (tx for the help again mgedmin - much appreciated!) | 17:51 |
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| mgedmin | thruflo: http://svn.zope.org/zope.sendmail/trunk/src/zope/sendmail/README.txt?view=auto | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | I'd appreciate feedback | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | especially if you find any inaccuracies | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | I based the examples on working code from a zope 3.2-based app, when zope.sendmail was still zope.app.mail | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | there've been changes made to zope.sendmail since then (e.g. I noticed it now has TLS support) | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | aargh, right, I noticed one problem myself | 18:17 |
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| * thruflo tests with the code | 18:23 | |
| thruflo | in the readme | 18:23 |
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| thruflo | hmm | 18:55 |
| lisppaste6 | thruflo pasted "dovecot ready?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/49810 | 18:56 |
| thruflo | SMTPConnectError: (-1, 'Dovecot ready.') | 18:56 |
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| thruflo | mgedmin: that code works fine for me and the readme makes perfect sense to me. the only suggestion I would make is that the maildelivery queuepath="var/mailqueue" should be queuepath="../var/mailqueue" seeings how it's in a file in the etc directory - ie: I have nothing really to add! | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | actually, I've no idea what the relative paths are relative to | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | I suspect $PWD from where you start the server | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | I tend to place absolute paths there, just in case | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | the dovecot error is strange-ish | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | afaik dovecot is an imap/pop3 server | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | it shouldn't be listening on port 25 | 19:09 |
| * thruflo nods - running it here on osx using ./bin/runzope i find I have to use the ../ from a directive in etc/overrides.zcml but presumably people can tweak that as they see fit | 19:10 | |
| thruflo | ^ yup, I was using port 110 | 19:10 |
| thruflo | changing to default 25 got me a successful test email through :) | 19:10 |
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