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| ChrisW | hey all - where do the zodb tools such as fsrefs, fstest, etc exist nowadays? | 02:15 |
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| pyqwer | Hi, does someone know if a class protected by some permission is still protected when a view access it? | 12:52 |
| pyqwer | I have here a view that modifies an attribute of a content object without having permissions, so I'd assume Zope should raise an error - but it does not... | 12:53 |
| srichter | yes, a view receives the context with security proxy around it | 12:57 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Strange, so it seems, there's either no proxy or something's wrong with my permissions... | 12:58 |
| srichter | yep | 12:58 |
| srichter | pyqwer: you might want to have a look at z3c.securitytool; it should be pretty helpful | 12:59 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Ah, interesting - never heard of that but I'll have a look. | 12:59 |
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| srichter | pyqwer: Daniel does not want to publicize it yet too much, because he is not quiet done with it yet | 12:59 |
| srichter | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.securitytool | 13:00 |
| pyqwer | Another short question: Do you know how to get all views for a content object and filter out all views that are not accessible (no permission)? | 13:00 |
| pyqwer | I'd like to display some menu links based on that info. | 13:01 |
| pyqwer | Probably it's some queryUtility() thing - but of what interface? | 13:01 |
| srichter | pyqwer: a content object has many more views than you realize | 13:01 |
| srichter | I would strongly suggest registering menu items explicitely | 13:02 |
| pyqwer | Ok, that's the other option I currently do now. | 13:02 |
| srichter | but you can use getAdapters((IContent, IMyLayer), zope.interface.Interface)) | 13:02 |
| srichter | result will be a list of two-tuples: ('name', adapter) | 13:03 |
| malthe | pyqwer: you could also just do the lookup without calling the factories. | 13:03 |
| srichter | pyqwer: use apidoc to see how many views are registered for any type of content interface | 13:03 |
| malthe | i.e. globalsitemanager.adapters.lookup( | 13:03 |
| pyqwer | malthe: Ah, interesting. | 13:04 |
| srichter | (you spend more time filtering out the ones you do not want than anything else) | 13:04 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Ok, didn't think of apidoc, but that's a good option. | 13:04 |
| pyqwer | But you made a point with the filtering issue, so perhaps, I'll do the menu by hand as it may not really save time. | 13:05 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Btw., I read that you're somehow frustrated about your role in the Zope3 release cycle - I just wanted to personally say thank you for your work and effort. :-) | 13:06 |
| pyqwer | I appreciate that a lot. | 13:06 |
| srichter | pyqwer: well, I am not even supposed to be involved in the release cycle anymore ;-) I am just doing it, so it gets done. | 13:07 |
| srichter | pyqwer: how do you use Zope 3 these days? tar ball or eggs (KGS or just PPIX or pinned versions) | 13:07 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Ummm, well, I have to admit - tarball as I'm facing still some difficulties and don't want to take the next burden with Eggs... | 13:08 |
| pyqwer | Although it may be easier in the end... | 13:09 |
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| afd_ | is there some tool that shows the contents of the catalog like the z2 catalog? I'm interested in seeing what gets indexed for each object... | 13:39 |
| goschtl_ | Hi i got a error see here --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/55414. I think this is dead simple but i don´t see it. | 13:43 |
| srichter | pyqwer: fair answer; you prove my point that more people than the most core developers know still use the tar ball and depend on it | 13:46 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Yes, and I expect to stay it that way until there's a webpage that describes how to install Zope the "Egg-Way". | 13:48 |
| srichter | pyqwer: you shuld send those comments to the zope-dev list as user feedback | 13:49 |
| pyqwer | I'm no core developer but I can't really make out the "best" way to install zope (buildout (complicated), zopeproject, well etc.) Therefore I just download it from the Zope.org page... | 13:50 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Yes, I can post that comment to the mailing list. | 13:50 |
| srichter | thx | 13:51 |
| pyqwer | Btw - things are strange here: I deleted all my <class class=...> statements and my application continues to work - how can that happen? | 13:51 |
| pyqwer | goschtl_: Did you really look at the right configuration? (I think auth/configure.zcml)? | 13:53 |
| pyqwer | goschtl_: I can't see any error in that, too. | 13:55 |
| goschtl_ | pyqwer: yes i pasted the configure in my auth dir. | 13:55 |
| afd_ | pyqwer: <class> statements are about security declarations and extra interface implementations... some parts of your app might work without these, but not all (probably) | 13:56 |
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| pyqwer | Hmmm, I need to simulate a request for authentication via z3c.form, looking like this: pau.authenticate(TestRequest(form.widget.login='admin', form.widget.password='falsch')) | 15:24 |
| pyqwer | But this does not work as Python thinks, I have a class "form" with 2 subclasses (form.widget.login) - how would I handle that? | 15:24 |
| pyqwer | Ah, got it myself, I simply need to give **{'form.widgets.login' : 'admin'} as a parameter... | 15:28 |
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| pyqwer | afd_: Thanks for the hint - I found out that my content is not proxied at all - when I do a "canAccess(context, name)", it works. | 15:48 |
| pyqwer | Is there something I need to do to let Zope3 proxy my objects? | 15:48 |
| afd_ | pyqwer: that usually happens automatically | 15:48 |
| afd_ | you're probably dealing with a proxy and not know it | 15:49 |
| afd_ | usually when you try dir(obj) in pdb for a proxied object you get an empty list | 15:49 |
| pyqwer | No, I don't. Because (according to philikons book) a type(myobj) should return something like "zope.security._proxy._Proxy", but in my Case it returns "MyClass". | 15:49 |
| afd_ | I understand | 15:50 |
| pyqwer | Maybe I did something wrong in the authentication? | 15:50 |
| afd_ | what do you mean? | 15:50 |
| srichter | yeah, check whether you are authenticated | 15:50 |
| srichter | request.principal will tell you that | 15:50 |
| pyqwer | Well, I'm not authenticated. (at least, request.principal provides IUnauthenticated...). | 15:51 |
| srichter | ok | 15:51 |
| pyqwer | When I'm authenticated, objects are still not proxied, but it works, as canAccess() tells me. | 15:52 |
| pyqwer | So, maybe I have to somehow configure a default checker? | 15:52 |
| CSWookie | pyqwer: What permission do they require? Are they trusted adapters? | 15:58 |
| pyqwer | CSWookie: Hmmm, don't understand, what is "they"? | 15:58 |
| CSWookie | pyqwer: The objects that are not being proxied. | 15:59 |
| pyqwer | My objects? They are quite simple objects, in my special case it's a site object. | 15:59 |
| CSWookie | pyqwer: That you want to be proxied. | 15:59 |
| pyqwer | Right, it's a site object, which I retrieve with getSite(). | 15:59 |
| CSWookie | huh. | 16:00 |
| pyqwer | My site has some attributes which should be protected. | 16:00 |
| pyqwer | It is defined like this: class FYMSite(SiteManagerContainer, BTreeContainer) | 16:01 |
| pyqwer | Ah, perhaps when using getSite() my object is not proxied? | 16:01 |
| pyqwer | And the only object that is proxied is my "context" object? | 16:02 |
| CSWookie | pyqwer: I'm not sure. I know just enough about the security machinery to be dangerous at this point. | 16:03 |
| pyqwer | ;-) | 16:03 |
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| pyqwer | But, no, that's not the reason: I tried a simple "<span tal:replace="python:type(view.context)" /> in my index.html-view of my site and it shows me that my site is not proxied here, too. | 16:07 |
| pyqwer | The whole <class class=...> definitions are completely ignored, I can delete them and the behaviour of my app does not change at all. | 16:08 |
| pyqwer | I'll try to install zope-3.4.0c1, maybe that helps... | 16:09 |
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| pyqwer | Hmmm, it did not help. Can someone give me a hint where to start digging into the Zope3 souce code? | 16:20 |
| srichter | pyqwer: I would look into zope.traversal first, since most of the security proxy wrapping happens there | 16:25 |
| pyqwer | srichter: Ok, thanks, I'll dig into that at first. | 16:25 |
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| Subdino | hi | 19:10 |
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| Subdino | I've triggered a bug in zope 2.8.8 transaction._transaction | 19:11 |
| Subdino | first of all, yes my code is not considered as "normal" zope usage, but transaction does not behave in a reasonable way | 19:12 |
| Subdino | the bug is triggered when trying to register an instance inheriting from TM class after an exception was raised in _commitResources | 19:13 |
| Subdino | TM._register calls transaction's register, which appends the TM instance before calling join | 19:14 |
| Subdino | join raises, but the raise is caught in TM._register | 19:14 |
| Subdino | next call to TM._register does not cause any more call to join, so it does not raise, so "self._registered = 1" is executed | 19:15 |
| Subdino | and at this point, there is a TM instance which thinks it's registered (so it won't be registered untill self._registered is set to 0) | 19:15 |
| Subdino | but no transaction knows about this TM instance | 19:15 |
| Subdino | I believe that 2 things must be done: | 19:16 |
| Subdino | first, either transaction's register must check transaction status before doing anything, or it must call join before doing anything | 19:17 |
| Subdino | second, either it must be advised to check _registered value after a call to TM._register, or it must not catch exceptions | 19:18 |
| Subdino | (or at the very least, it must not catch TransactionFailedError) | 19:18 |
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| ignas | J1m: by the way - the buildout-source-release apparently fails, because it thinks that the installation of setuptools on ubuntu is a "development version" of setuptools, so it does not download the egg into the eggs-dir ... | 19:46 |
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| ignas | J1m: manually easy_installing setuptools>=0.6c7 works around the problem | 19:46 |
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| J1m | ignas, interesting. :( | 20:02 |
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| CSWookie | srichter: Are you there? | 22:44 |
| CSWookie | srichter: I've got a change I'm planning on releasing to zope.app.security, and J1m said you had some reccommended procedures for updating a core package vs. a regular one. | 22:45 |
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| ignas | J1m: it seems that zc.sourcerelease does not work with eggs installed in the site-packages of a virtualenv python installation :/ | 23:50 |
| ignas | J1m: I have tried installing zc.sourcerelease zopeproject and zc.buildout into my sandbox created using virtualenv.py | 23:52 |
| ignas | and then using buildout-source-release on my project, and the final tarball lacked zc.recipe.egg :/ | 23:52 |
| ignas | I assume it's because the recipe was available in the site-packages of the virtual python created by virtualenv.py | 23:53 |
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