| J1m | So srichter, are you going to make the releases? | 00:00 |
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| J1m | or we can split them. | 00:01 |
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| srichter | J1m: let's split them | 00:27 |
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| J1m | srichter, ok, you do the two versions of zope.security and I'll do the other 2. | 00:35 |
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| srichter | J1m: ok | 00:55 |
| J1m | Then again, I'm not sure these are ready. | 00:57 |
| J1m | philiKON, ayt? | 00:57 |
| J1m | Then again, I'm not sure these are ready, srichter | 00:57 |
| philiKON | J1m: iam | 00:57 |
| philiKON | what's wrong? | 00:57 |
| J1m | The meta data is not up to date for zope.proxy/ | 00:57 |
| philiKON | shrug | 00:57 |
| philiKON | what's wrong? | 00:57 |
| J1m | I fixed the version #, but changes.txt is out of date as well. | 00:58 |
| philiKON | the tags should be ready to go already... | 00:58 |
| philiKON | did i miss something? | 00:58 |
| * philiKON looks | 00:58 | |
| J1m | look at the zope.proxy 3.4.2 tag. | 00:58 |
| J1m | I just fixed the version #, but changes.txt is incomplete. | 00:58 |
| philiKON | uh how? | 00:59 |
| philiKON | looks ok to me | 00:59 |
| philiKON | are you sure you're on the tag? | 00:59 |
| J1m | Or, I should say, the changes section of th readme | 00:59 |
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| philiKON | huh? | 00:59 |
| philiKON | are we talking about zope.proxy? | 00:59 |
| J1m | damn, I wasn't. | 01:00 |
| philiKON | http://svn.zope.org/zope.proxy/tags/3.4.2/CHANGES.txt?rev=88832&view=auto | 01:00 |
| J1m | sorry | 01:00 |
| philiKON | looks ok to me :) | 01:00 |
| philiKON | np | 01:00 |
| J1m | no test script for zope.app.container. | 01:08 |
| J1m | I hope the updates work. :) | 01:08 |
| J1m | never mind | 01:09 |
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| J1m | srichter, philiKON I'm done | 01:26 |
| philiKON | thanks! | 01:27 |
| srichter | J1m: left zope.security for me, right? | 01:27 |
| J1m | Yup -- 2 versions | 01:27 |
| philiKON | they're already tagged | 01:28 |
| philiKON | 3.4.1 | 01:28 |
| philiKON | 3.5.2 | 01:28 |
| philiKON | you'll only have to do the upload dance | 01:28 |
| srichter | ok | 01:29 |
| J1m | Have the tests been run on windows? | 01:31 |
| philiKON | not by me | 01:31 |
| J1m | I ran the tests for the ones I did. | 01:31 |
| philiKON | ah good | 01:31 |
| philiKON | well yes, that should be done then | 01:31 |
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| J1m | I doubt they were run by anyone, since anyone who could run the tests could also generate the binary. | 01:32 |
| philiKON | right :) | 01:32 |
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| srichter | philiKON: how do I get Windows to build TGZ files again? | 02:28 |
| srichter | for sdists? | 02:28 |
| philiKON | python setup.py sdist --help-formats | 02:32 |
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| srichter | philiKON: thanks | 02:35 |
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| J1m | srichter, does it matter? | 02:36 |
| philiKON | J1m: there used to be a setuptools bug in some older version | 02:37 |
| philiKON | it didn't unzip zip files correctly i believe | 02:37 |
| J1m | hm, well, I generated zip files. | 02:37 |
| J1m | I've never had trouble with zip files. | 02:37 |
| philiKON | we had a while ago | 02:37 |
| J1m | hm | 02:37 |
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| J1m | See y'all later. | 02:38 |
| philiKON | i think the problem has been fixed a while too | 02:38 |
| philiKON | see ya | 02:38 |
| philiKON | thanks again | 02:38 |
| J1m | np | 02:38 |
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| srichter | ok, then I use zips too :-) | 02:42 |
| srichter | the Python 2.5 versions are up; Python 2.4 is coming; I never built anything for Python 2.4 in Windows, so I have to get all the eggs | 02:48 |
| srichter | btw, I can explain to anyone what I am doing, so Jim and I are not the bottleneck anymore | 02:48 |
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| srichter | (and no, philiKON cannot ask how I do it, because I used his blog entry ;-) | 02:49 |
| philiKON | uh | 02:49 |
| philiKON | so you're not using visual C then | 02:49 |
| srichter | no, Jim is nto either, rtight? | 02:49 |
| philiKON | the whole point of me asking J1m was that visual C was being used | 02:49 |
| philiKON | yes he is | 02:49 |
| philiKON | afaik | 02:49 |
| srichter | oh, then I cannot help sorry | 02:50 |
| philiKON | heck, i can do the ming trick | 02:50 |
| srichter | though I have released zope.proxy and others without visual c before | 02:50 |
| srichter | yeah | 02:50 |
| philiKON | uh huh | 02:50 |
| srichter | so why not? | 02:50 |
| srichter | what's the problem? | 02:50 |
| philiKON | people were skeptical | 02:50 |
| srichter | ok, I agree, Chris was skeptical | 02:50 |
| srichter | ok, so I think we should take the attitude of Ming works until proven it breaks things | 02:52 |
| srichter | because otherwise Jim is a bottleneck that we cannot fix easily | 02:52 |
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| philiKON | i guess | 02:53 |
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| mintsauce | also ... got myself confused in the zmi .... have two types of PAU plugins marked 'in contents' and 'a utility' .... | 11:26 |
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| mintsauce | devmode on - but no introspect tabs .... help! | 16:59 |
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| srichter | mgedmin: did you try your new powers of uploading the latest KGS already? :-) | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | srichter: yes | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | it works, thanks | 17:17 |
| srichter | cool | 17:17 |
| mintsauce | Devmode on, but no ApiDoc either ..... what am i missing? | 17:17 |
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| mgedmin | mintsauce: no idea; is the apidoc's package include enabled? | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | srichter: could you explain why controlled-versions.cfg lists several version numbers for a single package sometimes? | 17:19 |
| mintsauce | hah .... err .. probably not, didn't realise there was one - docs i was reading just said turn devmode on :) | 17:19 |
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| mgedmin | hm, a few of the packages in zope 3.4 spew deprecation warnings about ZopeMessageFactory and ZopeSecurityPolicy | 17:21 |
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| mintsauce | mgedmin: yeah 'IPrincipalRoleManager is deprecated' etc ... noticed that today, keep meaning to go through my build and tidy those up once and for all ;) | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | haven't noticed *that* one | 17:25 |
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| mintsauce | Added zope.app.apidoc to buildout - now get: ConfigurationError: ('Unknown directive', u'http://namespaces.zope.org/apidoc', u'bookchapter') | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | you need to include its meta.zcml too | 17:31 |
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| mintsauce | mgedmin: when do you tell when a package needs meta.zcml? apart from running it and watching it fail ;) | 17:38 |
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| mgedmin | generally, when a package has a meta.zcml, you want it included | 17:39 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 17:39 | |
| mgedmin | I'm not yet familiar with buildout-and-egg configurations | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | in ye olden days we had /etc/package-includes/ with a bunch of one-liners | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | and installing a package meant dropping its package-includes files in there | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | apidoc had a *-meta.zcml and a *-configure.zcml | 17:40 |
| mgedmin | site.zcml first included all meta.zcml and then included all configure.zcml files from that dir | 17:41 |
| philiKON | yep | 17:41 |
| philiKON | i find these snippets confusing though | 17:41 |
| philiKON | i prefer a manually edited site.zcml | 17:41 |
| philiKON | where i have a bunch of lines like | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | because you know how everything works | 17:42 |
| philiKON | <include package="this.pkg" file="meta.zcml" /> | 17:42 |
| philiKON | well, the site.zcml is pretty easy to understand | 17:42 |
| philiKON | a gazillion single files in package-includes is harder | 17:42 |
| philiKON | one more indirection | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | I'm starting to think zcml files ought to have same conventions as C++ include files | 17:42 |
| philiKON | basically, all you have to know is that there's site.zcml | 17:42 |
| philiKON | which includes evrything else | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | zcml already has "include guards" so you can include the same zcml more than once | 17:42 |
| philiKON | right | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | so every zcml file that needs some package's meta.zcml ought to include it explicitly | 17:43 |
| philiKON | i agree | 17:43 |
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| * mintsauce turns his back for a moment and comes back to a very comprehensive answer - thanks guys :) | 17:48 | |
| mgedmin | hm, is directlyProvides(IMyInterface, IBrowserSkinType) the only way to declare interface types? | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | I'm looking for something I could use inside the interface declaration rather than after | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | something like classProvides(), I guess | 17:50 |
| mintsauce | mgedmin: no error now - but no apidoc either at http://127.0.0.1:8080/++apidoc++/ | 17:52 |
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| mgedmin | what are the conventions for defining skins? should their names be prefixed with I? | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | skins *are* interfaces, after all | 18:03 |
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| philiKON | mgedmin: i do prefix them, yes | 18:19 |
| mintsauce | In devmode, zope.app.apidoc and zope.app.testing included - no apidoc - but *also* no 'introspect' option. | 18:24 |
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| mintsauce | I'm missing something obvious here | 18:24 |
| srichter | mgedmin: I prefix them too | 18:24 |
| afd_ | mintsauce: you need to include some zcmls | 18:24 |
| afd_ | probably the meta and configure from zope.app.apidoc | 18:25 |
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| mintsauce | in buildout.cfg, currently have <include package="zope.app.apidoc" file="meta.zcml"/> | 18:25 |
| afd_ | make sure you also load the configure | 18:26 |
| mintsauce | afd_: not sure of the buildout.cfg syntax .... is that just another file="configure.zcml" entry? | 18:27 |
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| mgedmin | just <include package="zope.app.apidoc" /> | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | this time | 18:29 |
| mgedmin | there should be exactly two lines mentioning apidoc in your cfg; the first one with meta, the other without | 18:29 |
| * mgedmin scratches head | 18:30 | |
| mgedmin | after going through all my zcmls and replacing layer="..." with type="..." I now discover that <browser:page> doesn't understand type="..." and needs layer | 18:30 |
| mintsauce | mgedmin: as a n00b - how would i know that I needed two lines? I thought that looking through the egg I might get an idea of what .zcmls needed to be included. | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | mintsauce: don't ask me these questions | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | O | 18:32 |
| mintsauce | mgedmin: lol, sorry - not a fan of buildout - forgot ;) | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | no, just full of unproductive frustration and cynicism | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | zope 3 is currently not very newbie-friendly :( | 18:32 |
| mintsauce | just trying to work out how to diagnose problems myself :) | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | actually, the answer to your question is "you get told on irc that you need those two lines" | 18:33 |
| mintsauce | mgedmin: hahaha - sounds right! | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | zope.app.apidoc's README.txt ought to document how to enable it | 18:34 |
| mintsauce | philiKON's book suggested (to me at least) that it should just be enabled once devmode is on ..... that's where my trouble started ;) | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | zope 3 changes a lot | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | in ye olden days that was true | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | you had this big one monolithic zope 3 package, and it did have apidoc's zcml loaded | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | the only thing needed to enable it was the devmode switch | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | but now that zope 3 is split into hundreds of packages, you have to know how to enable those packages | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | the general pattern is to include that package's zcml in your size.zcml (usually in buildbot.cfg) | 18:38 |
| mintsauce | mgedmin: good to know, at least it's not just me :P | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | not all the rought edges have been polished yet | 18:38 |
| mintsauce | *sigh* | 18:40 |
| mintsauce | ConfigurationError: ('Unknown directive', u'http://namespaces.zope.org/zope', u'preferenceGroup') | 18:40 |
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| mgedmin | never seen that one | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | all unknown directive errors are the result of a missing meta.zcml include of some package | 18:42 |
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| mgedmin | the trick is to find out which package | 18:42 |
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| lisppaste6 | mintsauce pasted "apidoc" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/64388 | 19:15 |
| mintsauce | not meant for anyone here - didnt realise it pasted automatically! | 19:16 |
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| srichter | mgedmin: the reason I have multiple versions in a single controlled-packages.cfg file is to not break backward-compatibility within a major KGS version | 19:59 |
| srichter | i.e. all listed versions will be available in the index | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | aah, I see | 19:59 |
| srichter | once we switch to KGS 3.5 we reset al the versions to a single one until the first beta or so | 20:00 |
| srichter | btw, would you be willing to help out with a development version of the KGS as well? | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | in principle yes, in practice I'm a bit overwhelmed already | 20:01 |
| srichter | I have already created zope-dev as a directory (well, Jim has) | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | you had some script to synchronize the zope 3.4 svn:externals with the kgs versions | 20:02 |
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| srichter | yeah, in zope.release | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | zope.release's README.txt doesn't mention that | 20:02 |
| srichter | right, it is a little outdated | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | or I missed it | 20:02 |
| srichter | no, you did not | 20:03 |
| * mgedmin blinks | 20:03 | |
| srichter | I read through it the other day and noticed it is not up to speed | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | I've been following it righteously | 20:03 |
| srichter | yeah, it has some additional steps that are not needed anymore | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | well... except that I ignored errors shown by the "test all kgs packages" step, because they seemed completely unrelated to my change | 20:04 |
| srichter | okay, so the tree can be updated using ./bin/update-tree | 20:04 |
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| mgedmin | is it safe to run at any point in time? | 20:04 |
| srichter | it assumes that the Zope3/branches/3.4 is checked out locally as Zope3-3.4 | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | idempotent/generates no empty commits/etc? | 20:05 |
| srichter | I should add an external for that | 20:05 |
| srichter | should be safe; | 20:05 |
| srichter | it only updates your local tree | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | does it commit, or does it leave a modified working tree for me to review an... | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | okay, you answered that | 20:05 |
| srichter | you have to do the checkin manually | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | good | 20:05 |
| * mgedmin wonders why the checkout is not called simply Zope3.4 | 20:06 | |
| * mgedmin is angry at svn for not providing useful diffs of svn:externals changes | 20:07 | |
| srichter | yeah, that's probably the reason I made the checkout manually | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | outstanding diffs: zope.server 3.4.1 -> 3.4.2; zope.app.debug 3.4.0 -> 3.4.1; zope.app.twisted 3.4.0 -> 3.4.1 | 20:09 |
| srichter | I have a tool that discovers all bug fix upgrades :-) | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | discovers? | 20:10 |
| srichter | mgedmin: ./bin/list-latest | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | cool | 20:11 |
| srichter | it finds all versions released after the last lsited one | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | feature suggestion: bin/list-latest could take a package name (or a list of them) on the command line, then check only those | 20:17 |
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| * mgedmin is hardcore and runs tests with python2.4 -Werror | 20:27 | |
| mgedmin | die, DeprecationWarnings, die! | 20:27 |
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| mgedmin | oh noes, they're too strong | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | 6 failures and 4 errors | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | not counting other layers... | 20:29 |
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| yotaff | hum | 22:51 |
| yotaff | where are zope3 buildbot ? | 22:51 |
| benji | He's dead, Jim. | 22:52 |
| yotaff | ok | 22:53 |
| yotaff | sad news | 22:53 |
| benji | see http://zopebuildbot.whq.gocept.com/ (if it's up) | 22:54 |
| yotaff | down for me | 22:54 |
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| yotaff | do you know examples of buildbot with eggs or buildout packages ? | 22:55 |
| vimes656 | yotaff: you can have a look to the different buildout profiles for silva | 22:59 |
| vimes656 | yotaff: https://svn.infrae.com/buildout/silva/trunk/ | 22:59 |
| yotaff | i'm reading it ;) | 22:59 |
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| yotaff | but I presume it's a zope instance test | 23:00 |
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| yotaff | I want test each python package | 23:01 |
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| vimes656 | yotaff: you can read this tutorial for buildout: http://grok.zope.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction-to-zc.buildout | 23:33 |
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