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| ChrisW | hey all... can anyone point me at docs that explain how zope.testing.cleanup actually works? | 10:43 |
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| ChrisW | what calls addCleanUp? | 10:44 |
| ChrisW | why are all the cleanup funcs called at both setUp and tearDown? | 10:45 |
| philiKON_ | let's say i have a module that stores some global state that can be manipulated when running an application | 10:46 |
| philiKON_ | then it can certainly be manipulated over the course of running a test | 10:46 |
| philiKON_ | so you'd want this global state to be pristine before and after each test | 10:47 |
| ChrisW | *nods* | 10:47 |
| philiKON_ | so in my module i write a small function | 10:47 |
| philiKON_ | say | 10:47 |
| ChrisW | maybe... | 10:47 |
| philiKON_ | def makeStatePristine(): ... | 10:47 |
| philiKON_ | and register this as a clean up func | 10:47 |
| philiKON_ | z.t.c.addCleanUp(makeStatePristine) | 10:47 |
| philiKON_ | that way, tests only have to call z.t.c.cleanUp() and this will call all the clean up hooks | 10:48 |
| ChrisW | does anything other than zope.component use these hooks? | 10:48 |
| philiKON_ | yup | 10:48 |
| ChrisW | ... | 10:48 |
| philiKON_ | zope.security.management (the interactions tuff) | 10:48 |
| ChrisW | ah, okay | 10:48 |
| philiKON_ | zope.configuration (zcml stuff) | 10:48 |
| philiKON_ | don't know about others. feel free to grep yourself | 10:49 |
| philiKON_ | for addCleanUp | 10:49 |
| ChrisW | don't tests that use cleanup interact badly with tests that are mroe functional in feel? | 10:49 |
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| ChrisW | (ie: if I've set up, say, any global components, then any testing that uses zope.testing.cleanup will trash those and cause the tests to fail :-S) | 10:50 |
| philiKON_ | right. z.t.c and functional tests don't mix | 10:51 |
| philiKON_ | with functional and integration tests, in other words, all tests that use layers to do their setup, the individual tests shouldn't modify global state | 10:51 |
| philiKON_ | at least not *that* particular kind of global state | 10:51 |
| ChrisW | okay, so if you have a functional test that modifies said global state, how does it undo it's modifications afterwards? | 10:52 |
| philiKON_ | i'd say your ftest is wrong | 10:52 |
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| philiKON_ | an ftest that does this is hardly realistic | 10:53 |
| philiKON_ | in a real app out there you wouldn't do this either would you | 10:53 |
| ChrisW | I'm inclined to agree with you ;-) I don't have that case, just trying to get to the bottom of how cleanup works before I write soem more docs for it... | 10:53 |
| ChrisW | well, now that I'm not so sure about ;-) | 10:53 |
| philiKON_ | app code shouldn't mess with global state like that (gloabl state like configuration) | 10:54 |
| ChrisW | why not? :-) | 10:55 |
| philiKON_ | uh, because it gets the app in trouble | 10:56 |
| ChrisW | how so? | 10:56 |
| philiKON_ | i'm talking about things like: a view modifying the global component registry | 10:56 |
| ChrisW | indeed, so am I | 10:56 |
| ChrisW | what if you want to make the component registry ttw configurable? | 10:56 |
| philiKON_ | well, that global state would be lost | 10:57 |
| philiKON_ | the whole point of the global comp. reg. is that it's reloaded from zcml | 10:57 |
| philiKON_ | if you want ttw configurability, use a local persist. comp. reg. | 10:57 |
| ChrisW | not if the same code als ochanged the config fiel the registrations were read from... | 10:57 |
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| philiKON_ | ok. edge case. | 10:57 |
| ChrisW | sadly, local persistent component registries seem to be heavilly zodb-focused | 10:57 |
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| ChrisW | I'm not using zodb | 10:58 |
| philiKON_ | well, they *are* persistent | 10:58 |
| philiKON_ | as in zodb-persistent | 10:58 |
| ChrisW | and bear in mine that one man's edge case is another man's central feature ;-) | 10:58 |
| philiKON_ | certainly you can have zcml-fueled local registries | 10:58 |
| philiKON_ | sure | 10:58 |
| philiKON_ | so far nobody's cared about building such an app | 10:58 |
| ChrisW | so far... | 10:58 |
| ChrisW | ;-) | 10:58 |
| ChrisW | seriously though, I don't think changing global config fil;es like that is a good idea | 10:58 |
| ChrisW | so we agree | 10:58 |
| ChrisW | it's just a shame that the persistent component registries are so heavilly centred on: | 10:59 |
| ChrisW | - zodb | 10:59 |
| ChrisW | - having the containment path be permenant | 10:59 |
| philiKON_ | again, the whole point of persistency is zodb | 11:00 |
| philiKON_ | but local registries in general don't make such assumptions | 11:00 |
| ChrisW | well, that depends how you understand that word | 11:00 |
| philiKON_ | PersistentFoo in zope is always understood in terms of the zodb :) | 11:00 |
| ChrisW | " but local registries in general don't make such assumptions" -> really? that's not the impression I got | 11:00 |
| philiKON_ | z3c.baseregistry provides local registries that are configured via zcml | 11:01 |
| ChrisW | how would you, say, tackle having an SQLAlchemy-backed local registry? | 11:02 |
| philiKON_ | uh | 11:03 |
| ChrisW | I'm also looking to have the registries to check worked out from traversal path rather than the containment path | 11:03 |
| philiKON_ | i'm trying to figure out if that even makes sense :) | 11:03 |
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| ChrisW | well, it makes as much sense has having a zodb-backed registry, and people seem to think they're a pretty good idea ;-) | 11:04 |
| mintsauce | How do I configure authentication plugins? | 11:04 |
| philiKON_ | mintsauce: got my book? | 11:05 |
| mintsauce | philiKON_: lol - yeah, stuck on page 421 :P | 11:06 |
| philiKON_ | then you should be able to ask a more specific question than that | 11:06 |
| philiKON_ | how do you expect anyone to ansewr this question? | 11:06 |
| philiKON_ | "um sure, let me take 2 hours off work and start typing away. oh no, wait, i already wrote it down once. it's int he book" | 11:06 |
| philiKON_ | ;) | 11:07 |
| mintsauce | I was leading on to that .... gotta tempt you first! | 11:07 |
| mintsauce | Anyways .. | 11:07 |
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| mintsauce | Ive added the cookies credential plugin via the ZMI - but every time i login I get the popup box - im unlcear how I should get Zope to redirect to wclogin, instead of the standard form. | 11:09 |
| philiKON_ | have you also added the plugin to the list of active plugins? | 11:09 |
| mintsauce | I've registered the form in zcml | 11:09 |
| mintsauce | yup - to the right? | 11:09 |
| * philiKON_ can't remember the form right now. | 11:09 | |
| philiKON_ | i guess so | 11:10 |
| philiKON_ | and it's on top? | 11:10 |
| mintsauce | (btw - what the difference between 'a utility' and 'in contents' in those forms?) | 11:10 |
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| mintsauce | yup - its the only one! | 11:10 |
| philiKON_ | p 406 | 11:11 |
| philiKON_ | around the middle of the page | 11:11 |
| mintsauce | k | 11:12 |
| philiKON_ | (that's just to answer your question about 'a utility' vs. 'in contents') | 11:12 |
| philiKON_ | regarding your actual problem | 11:13 |
| mintsauce | gathered that - thanks :) | 11:13 |
| philiKON_ | have you registered the PAU as an Iauthentication utility? | 11:13 |
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| mintsauce | via the register tab, or in zcml? | 11:14 |
| philiKON_ | register tab | 11:14 |
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| mintsauce | ahh .. errr .... no. | 11:15 |
| philiKON_ | :) | 11:15 |
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| mintsauce | thats got it :D | 11:16 |
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| mintsauce | I don't think your book mentions that it should be registered (although, with experience it's probably obvious). Probably worth making more obvious for idiots like me ;) | 11:20 |
| mintsauce | It's the only place I've been really stumped, it's a great book - i dont usually enjoy language tutorial books at all. | 11:21 |
| philiKON_ | hmm, this is a good point | 11:22 |
| philiKON_ | mintsauce: could you write me an email repeating this? then i won't forget it | 11:22 |
| mintsauce | Sure use the e-mail inside the front cover? | 11:23 |
| philiKON_ | yup | 11:24 |
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| mintsauce | bin/instance adduser returns *** Unknown syntax: adduser - any ideas? | 13:09 |
| ChrisW1 | what os you on? | 13:11 |
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| mintsauce | OS X | 13:15 |
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| afd__ | mintsauce: that should be bin/zopectl | 13:38 |
| mintsauce | buildout based - no zopectl in parts/bin | 13:39 |
| afd__ | if you don't have zopectl in the bin folder, locate it in the parts/instance/bin folder (something like that) | 13:39 |
| mintsauce | afd__: there isn't one there either .... | 13:43 |
| afd__ | mintsauce: I think you can specify one in zcml (a principal) | 13:43 |
| afd__ | http://apidoc.zope.org/++apidoc++/ZCML/http_co__sl__sl_namespaces.zope.org_sl_zope/principal/index.html | 13:44 |
| afd__ | btw, is this a "I'm locked out of zope" problem? Because if you have manager access, you can add a new user source in pau and add users there. Then you can go to the zope root (or whatever folder/site you have) and grant that users some roles or permissions | 13:46 |
| mintsauce | I've locked myself out of manager access somehow - had manager specified via principal id="zope.manager" in zcml - then changed the PAU authenticator | 14:01 |
| mintsauce | useful page tho, thanks :) | 14:01 |
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| faassen | does anyone know whether Jim's around this week? | 20:30 |
| faassen | or is he on vacation recently? | 20:30 |
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| faassen | nobody seems to know. :) | 20:35 |
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| baijum | Can anyone give a pointer to this problem : http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users/2008-August/008103.html ? | 21:25 |
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| mgedmin | oh noes, testbrowser won't let me select a control by ID | 23:02 |
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| ccomb_ | hi, I would like to tag and release zope.app.container 3.5.6 and zope.app.authentication 3.4.3 so that they are correctly uploaded to pypi and solve many errors in the kgs trunk | 23:28 |
| ccomb_ | can someone here give me access to zope.app.authentication on PyPI ? | 23:29 |
| mgedmin | what's your pypi username? | 23:31 |
| ccomb_ | ccomb | 23:31 |
| ccomb_ | I'm already ok for z.a.container, but I need z.a.authentication too | 23:32 |
| ccomb_ | mgedmin I really want to help you on the kgs | 23:32 |
| mgedmin | you're ok for both now ;) | 23:32 |
| ccomb_ | the buildbot is a good thing | 23:32 |
| ccomb_ | ok thanks | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | it's good that you want to help, because I kinda lost momentum after setting up the buildbot | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | and then noticing new regressions ;-) | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | my current todo is isolating the buildbot from site packages | 23:33 |
| ccomb_ | with virtualenv ? | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | probably | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | hey thanks! | 23:34 |
| ccomb_ | yesterday I had 70 errors or failure | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | I was agonising here, not wanting to sudo easy_install virtualenv | 23:34 |
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| mgedmin | but just now I remembered it's a standalone python script | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | I can just drop it into /usr/local/bin and it'll work | 23:34 |
| ccomb_ | what's the problem with sudo easyinstall virtualenv ? | 23:35 |
| ccomb_ | virtualenv has no dependency I think | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | it sticks its dirty fingers into my /usr/lib/pythonX.Y | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | matter of principle | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | /usr belongs to apt-get & dpkg | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | /usr/local is for non-packaged stuff | 23:36 |
| ccomb_ | ahh ok | 23:36 |
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| mgedmin | yay it worked | 23:41 |
| ccomb | cool. Let's hope there won"t be new errors due to virtualenv :) | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | can buildout get lxml and reportlab from pypi? | 23:45 |
| ccomb | no idea | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | yay, no PIL | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | z3c.rml is always near the top of failures | 23:49 |
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| mgedmin | huh, what's wrong with docutils? | 23:56 |
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| mgedmin | MemoryError? does buildbot enable resource limits, or what? | 23:59 |
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