| *** jodok has joined #zope3-dev | 00:00 | |
| *** hexsprite has joined #zope3-dev | 00:06 | |
| ccomb | z.a.container 3.5.6 is released | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 00:09 | |
| *** hazmat has quit IRC | 00:10 | |
| *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC | 00:13 | |
| *** lisppaste6 has joined #zope3-dev | 00:13 | |
| *** jodok has quit IRC | 00:15 | |
| *** benji has quit IRC | 00:28 | |
| *** aclark|away is now known as aclark | 00:32 | |
| *** greenman has quit IRC | 00:34 | |
| *** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev | 00:38 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o hazmat | 00:38 | |
| *** sp0cksbeard has quit IRC | 00:51 | |
| *** timte has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| *** greenman has joined #zope3-dev | 00:59 | |
| *** natea_ has joined #zope3-dev | 01:01 | |
| *** alecm has joined #zope3-dev | 01:03 | |
| *** jhauser has quit IRC | 01:07 | |
| *** vipod has quit IRC | 01:11 | |
| *** dunny has joined #zope3-dev | 01:12 | |
| *** elro has quit IRC | 01:12 | |
| *** flox has left #zope3-dev | 01:14 | |
| *** lucielejard has quit IRC | 01:15 | |
| *** jamur2 has quit IRC | 01:37 | |
| *** junkafarian has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** yota has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| *** lurkymclurkleton has quit IRC | 01:54 | |
| *** ktwilight has quit IRC | 01:57 | |
| *** ccomb_ has joined #zope3-dev | 01:58 | |
| *** ktwilight has joined #zope3-dev | 01:58 | |
| *** dunny has quit IRC | 02:00 | |
| *** fairwinds has quit IRC | 02:00 | |
| *** quodt__ has quit IRC | 02:05 | |
| ccomb | Ran 11578 tests with 14 failures and 6 errors in 21 minutes 43.985 seconds. | 02:12 |
| *** oggers has quit IRC | 02:12 | |
| srichter | ccomb: ouch | 02:14 |
| *** andres has quit IRC | 02:14 | |
| ccomb_ | Let's wait the result on mgedmin's buildbot in a few hours | 02:16 |
| ccomb_ | need to sleep now | 02:16 |
| *** hazmat has quit IRC | 02:17 | |
| *** fairwinds has joined #zope3-dev | 02:19 | |
| *** fcorrea has quit IRC | 02:24 | |
| *** alga has quit IRC | 02:41 | |
| *** fcorrea has joined #zope3-dev | 02:43 | |
| *** nathany has quit IRC | 02:48 | |
| *** jukart has joined #zope3-dev | 02:48 | |
| *** MrTopf has quit IRC | 02:51 | |
| *** jukart_ has joined #zope3-dev | 02:51 | |
| *** ChrisW has joined #zope3-dev | 02:59 | |
| ChrisW | anyone alive and are buildout questiosn fairgame here? | 02:59 |
| *** andres has joined #zope3-dev | 03:05 | |
| *** jukart has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| *** rmarianski has quit IRC | 03:11 | |
| *** jpcw2002 has quit IRC | 03:18 | |
| *** alecm has quit IRC | 03:20 | |
| *** b52laptop has quit IRC | 03:21 | |
| *** hazmat has joined #zope3-dev | 03:24 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o hazmat | 03:24 | |
| *** lurkymclurkleton has joined #zope3-dev | 03:48 | |
| *** ChrisW has quit IRC | 03:50 | |
| *** lurkymclurkleton has quit IRC | 03:55 | |
| *** Pan_ has quit IRC | 03:59 | |
| *** Pan__ has joined #zope3-dev | 04:00 | |
| *** jukart_ has quit IRC | 04:03 | |
| *** srichter has quit IRC | 04:08 | |
| *** malthe is now known as malthe|Zzz | 04:19 | |
| *** srichter has joined #zope3-dev | 04:46 | |
| *** yvl has quit IRC | 05:09 | |
| *** srichter has quit IRC | 05:11 | |
| *** gstratton has joined #zope3-dev | 05:24 | |
| *** fairwinds has quit IRC | 05:25 | |
| *** dunny has joined #zope3-dev | 05:30 | |
| *** fairwinds has joined #zope3-dev | 05:32 | |
| *** jsadjohnson has quit IRC | 06:16 | |
| *** natea_ has quit IRC | 06:55 | |
| *** binseer has joined #zope3-dev | 07:10 | |
| *** srichter has joined #zope3-dev | 07:17 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o srichter | 07:26 | |
| *** alecm has joined #zope3-dev | 07:32 | |
| *** philiKON_ has joined #zope3-dev | 07:52 | |
| *** philiKON has quit IRC | 07:58 | |
| *** fairwinds has quit IRC | 08:09 | |
| *** alecm has quit IRC | 08:27 | |
| *** redir has joined #zope3-dev | 08:39 | |
| *** jukart has joined #zope3-dev | 08:41 | |
| *** ktwilight has quit IRC | 08:45 | |
| *** timte has joined #zope3-dev | 08:46 | |
| *** jayaraj has joined #zope3-dev | 08:57 | |
| *** redir has quit IRC | 09:01 | |
| *** __mac__ has joined #zope3-dev | 09:02 | |
| *** aclark is now known as aclark|away | 09:03 | |
| *** greenman has quit IRC | 09:09 | |
| *** jodok has joined #zope3-dev | 09:17 | |
| *** stub has joined #zope3-dev | 09:25 | |
| *** seletz has joined #zope3-dev | 09:35 | |
| *** dobee has joined #zope3-dev | 09:38 | |
| *** jodok has quit IRC | 10:06 | |
| *** jpcw2002 has joined #zope3-dev | 10:10 | |
| *** goschtl has joined #zope3-dev | 10:11 | |
| jayaraj | hi friends.... i have been looking for lovely.nozodb .... IIRC, as per http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-May/031887.html .... it is open source.... but i can find it any where... :/ do any one know about this package? | 10:16 |
| *** gstratton has left #zope3-dev | 10:17 | |
| jayaraj | but i *can't* find it anywhere... | 10:17 |
| *** quodt has joined #zope3-dev | 10:20 | |
| jayaraj | oh, jodok is not there.... :( | 10:21 |
| *** philiKON_ has quit IRC | 10:29 | |
| *** jodok has joined #zope3-dev | 10:32 | |
| jayaraj | jodok, lovely.nozodb is published yet? will it be open source? i have read abou it in this http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-May/031887.html.... i tried to find it.. but failed :/ | 10:37 |
| *** agroszer has joined #zope3-dev | 10:40 | |
| jodok | jayaraj: it's called lovely.zetup and on svn.zope.org | 10:41 |
| jayaraj | jodok, ic ah... i saw it ... good thanks. | 10:42 |
| *** danfairs has quit IRC | 10:47 | |
| *** charith_para has joined #zope3-dev | 10:54 | |
| *** philiKON has joined #zope3-dev | 10:57 | |
| *** junkafarian has joined #zope3-dev | 11:10 | |
| *** flox has joined #zope3-dev | 11:12 | |
| *** elro has joined #zope3-dev | 11:13 | |
| *** afd_ has joined #zope3-dev | 11:16 | |
| *** elro has quit IRC | 11:24 | |
| *** greenman has joined #zope3-dev | 11:30 | |
| *** malthe|Zzz is now known as malthe | 11:32 | |
| *** seletz has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| *** seletz has joined #zope3-dev | 11:36 | |
| *** mintsauce has joined #zope3-dev | 11:47 | |
| mintsauce | Help. Locked out of Zope instance after playing with PAU's! | 11:48 |
| mintsauce | Cant zopectl adduser (Z3 buildout). Tried adding <principal id="zope.manager" title="Manager" login="admin" password_manager="Plain Text" password="1" /> to buildout.cfg with no luck. Any other ideas? | 11:48 |
| afd_ | mintsauce: you can delete/recreate the database, to see if that helps. Also, it's better if you don't mess with the pau in the zope root, but instead use a site (make a folder, make it a site) | 11:50 |
| afd_ | at least while learning | 11:50 |
| afd_ | another alternative would be to connect to the zope database and fix the problem from the python console | 11:50 |
| *** markusleist has joined #zope3-dev | 11:51 | |
| mintsauce | afd_: I did add it to a site folder - hadn't thought of trying to login to the root with /++etc++site/ suffix - thanks, just got back in :) | 11:52 |
| *** yotaff has joined #zope3-dev | 11:58 | |
| *** junkafarian has quit IRC | 12:02 | |
| *** elro has joined #zope3-dev | 12:02 | |
| *** b52laptop has joined #zope3-dev | 12:06 | |
| *** derek_richardson has quit IRC | 12:07 | |
| *** derek_richardson has joined #zope3-dev | 12:07 | |
| *** maurits has joined #zope3-dev | 12:09 | |
| *** projekt01 has joined #zope3-dev | 12:11 | |
| mintsauce | afd_: out of interest, how would i connect directly to the zodb from the console? | 12:14 |
| philiKON | bin/zopectl debug | 12:16 |
| *** zagy has quit IRC | 12:16 | |
| mintsauce | philiKON: heh .... no zopectl - its buildout based ...... | 12:19 |
| philiKON | what does one have to do with the other? | 12:19 |
| mintsauce | sorry, bin/instance debug does the same | 12:20 |
| *** __mac__ has quit IRC | 12:21 | |
| mintsauce | ive just found that bin/instance doesnt always do the same as zopectl does .... | 12:21 |
| philiKON | it hsould though | 12:21 |
| mintsauce | bin/instance adduser doesnt work for me for example - returns *** Unknown syntax: adduser | 12:22 |
| *** __mac__ has joined #zope3-dev | 12:23 | |
| philiKON | was that ever supported in zope 3? | 12:24 |
| philiKON | i think that's a zope2ism | 12:24 |
| mintsauce | philiKON: ahh ... that would explain it then | 12:24 |
| philiKON | in zope 3 you can configure global principals in site.zcml :) | 12:24 |
| *** derek_richardson has quit IRC | 12:25 | |
| *** derek_richardson has joined #zope3-dev | 12:25 | |
| *** zagy has joined #zope3-dev | 12:28 | |
| *** sunew has joined #zope3-dev | 12:31 | |
| *** charith_para has quit IRC | 12:34 | |
| ccomb | register bdist_egg upload is supposed to work on windows?? | 12:38 |
| ccomb | It tells that I must be identified (401) | 12:38 |
| ccomb | although I've provided credentials | 12:39 |
| *** huajie has joined #zope3-dev | 12:41 | |
| huajie | philiKON: is there a way to buy an electronic version of your book ? | 12:42 |
| philiKON | huajie: yes, through http://springerlink.com | 12:42 |
| philiKON | huajie: but that's a bit pricy | 12:42 |
| philiKON | huajie: univesity libraries often have free access to springerlink from their computers | 12:43 |
| huajie | is that on line access to the book through subscription ? | 12:44 |
| philiKON | i'm not sure what you mean by subscription | 12:44 |
| philiKON | i'm not updating the book regularly :) | 12:44 |
| philiKON | afaik you can buy individual chapters there, but universities often have free access to springerlink.com content | 12:45 |
| philiKON | mine does | 12:45 |
| philiKON | so http://springerlink.com/content/p71334/?p=edb62409b81941c9943c78bee87aed96&pi=0 doesn't show prices for me | 12:46 |
| huajie | oh, I see, chapter wit green icon are for free and the ones with white one are to be bought | 12:48 |
| huajie | mmm, is that 25 euros per chapter ? :S | 12:49 |
| huajie | s/euros/dollars | 12:50 |
| philiKON | eurodollarpounds | 12:50 |
| philiKON | yeah, best thing would be to try and get it through a library | 12:51 |
| philiKON | that has free access to springerlink.com | 12:51 |
| philiKON | or buying the book :) | 12:51 |
| huajie | that is robbery :( | 12:51 |
| philiKON | 25$/chapter is | 12:51 |
| huajie | I can't get the book from amazon | 12:51 |
| philiKON | where are you? | 12:52 |
| huajie | I am in china and we only have translated books on amazon here | 12:52 |
| philiKON | i know that the shanghai library has a copy you can borrow ;) | 12:52 |
| huajie | anything in Beijing ? | 12:53 |
| philiKON | not sure, but the Bei Da must have a good library | 12:53 |
| huajie | yeah but it would not be public | 12:53 |
| philiKON | oh, that sucks | 12:54 |
| philiKON | only open to students? | 12:54 |
| huajie | yeah | 12:54 |
| philiKON | i wonder if springer.com will ship to china | 12:55 |
| huajie | is there a chance to go : I send you EUR you send me PDF ? | 12:56 |
| philiKON | unfortuantely i'm not allowed to do that :( | 12:56 |
| philiKON | contract w/ springer forbids it | 12:56 |
| huajie | I see ;) | 12:56 |
| philiKON | i could send you a book | 12:56 |
| huajie | yeah, or I could check with some relatives of mine in europe | 12:58 |
| mintsauce | I have cookie based, custom form logins (i.e. no popup) working, but the custom form doesnt accept the zope.Manager login - how do i link this in? | 12:59 |
| huajie | philiKON: anyway I will come back to you if you are my last hope | 12:59 |
| philiKON | huajie: ok, sure. what are relatives for, after all ;) | 12:59 |
| *** quodt has quit IRC | 13:20 | |
| *** charith_para has joined #zope3-dev | 13:31 | |
| *** philiKON has quit IRC | 13:45 | |
| *** sunew has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** mintsauce has quit IRC | 13:52 | |
| *** mkerrin has joined #zope3-dev | 14:26 | |
| *** greenman has quit IRC | 14:26 | |
| *** sm is now known as smZzz | 14:31 | |
| *** philiKON has joined #zope3-dev | 14:38 | |
| *** afd__ has joined #zope3-dev | 14:38 | |
| *** afd_ has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| *** jsadjohnson has joined #zope3-dev | 14:44 | |
| *** andres_f has joined #zope3-dev | 14:48 | |
| *** andres has quit IRC | 14:48 | |
| *** __mac__ has quit IRC | 14:51 | |
| *** afd__ has quit IRC | 14:52 | |
| *** afd__ has joined #zope3-dev | 14:53 | |
| *** charith_para has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| *** __mac__ has joined #zope3-dev | 15:00 | |
| *** redir has joined #zope3-dev | 15:01 | |
| *** zagy_ has joined #zope3-dev | 15:04 | |
| *** zagy has quit IRC | 15:04 | |
| *** mgedmin has joined #zope3-dev | 15:14 | |
| *** ignas has joined #zope3-dev | 15:14 | |
| ccomb | there is no tag for z3c.coverage 1.1.2 | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | was a release made? | 15:23 |
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 15:23 | |
| ccomb | on pypi yes | 15:23 |
| ccomb | and the tests fail, even on the trunk | 15:24 |
| *** mgedmin has joined #zope3-dev | 15:24 | |
| ccomb | mgedmin on pypi yes | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | mhm | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | :/ | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | not nice | 15:25 |
| ccomb | and the tests actually fail, even on the trunk | 15:25 |
| ccomb | let's fix it and release 1.1.3 | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | which ones? | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | iirc z3c.coverage tests fail if you don't have enscript installed | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | best fix: use pygments for syntax highlight | 15:25 |
| ccomb | good hint | 15:26 |
| mgedmin | other fix: skip that test if enscript is not installed | 15:26 |
| mgedmin | any ideas which svn rev corresponds to the 1.1.2 release? | 15:26 |
| ccomb | have to digg... | 15:27 |
| philiKON | s/digg/dig/ | 15:28 |
| philiKON | :) | 15:28 |
| philiKON | digg is a site | 15:28 |
| ccomb | ok I'l diggg | 15:28 |
| mgedmin | ccomb: found it: http://zope3.pov.lt/trac/changeset/85356 | 15:28 |
| philiKON | ccomb: ;) | 15:28 |
| ccomb | mgedmin you tag? | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | ok | 15:29 |
| *** redir has quit IRC | 15:30 | |
| * mgedmin loves trac: http://zope3.pov.lt/trac/log/z3c.coverage | 15:30 | |
| philiKON | is that a trac running against svn.zope.org? | 15:30 |
| philiKON | looks like it :) | 15:31 |
| philiKON | nice | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | it's trac running against a local mirror of svn.zope.org | 15:31 |
| philiKON | ic | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | the mirror is svnsync'ed every hour (or when I need it and manually run the sync script) | 15:31 |
| philiKON | can't hurt to mirror svn.zope.org | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | I don't think trac can access a remote repository... can it? | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | hm | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | I didn't even consider that... | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | anyway, that'd probably be slow | 15:32 |
| philiKON | yeah | 15:32 |
| philiKON | i don't think it can | 15:32 |
| *** mintsauce has joined #zope3-dev | 15:36 | |
| * mgedmin gets confused by svnversion | 15:37 | |
| mgedmin | it can't return the version of a single file, only subdirs? | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | that's madness | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | and not how I remember it working in the past | 15:38 |
| *** yotaff has quit IRC | 15:40 | |
| *** afd__ has quit IRC | 15:43 | |
| *** huajie has left #zope3-dev | 15:48 | |
| *** stub has left #zope3-dev | 15:50 | |
| *** fairwinds has joined #zope3-dev | 15:55 | |
| *** bigkevmcd has quit IRC | 15:55 | |
| *** lurkymclurkleton has joined #zope3-dev | 15:56 | |
| *** bigkevmcd has joined #zope3-dev | 15:59 | |
| *** jamur2 has joined #zope3-dev | 15:59 | |
| *** lucielejard has joined #zope3-dev | 16:11 | |
| *** charith_para has joined #zope3-dev | 16:15 | |
| *** danfairs has joined #zope3-dev | 16:16 | |
| mintsauce | Trying to login to site (yes, still messing with PAU!) - keep getting 'You are not authorised' messages and top right in rotterdam skin shows : 'User: Fallback unauthenticated principal' ....... what is this fallback? | 16:16 |
| *** chaoflow has joined #zope3-dev | 16:21 | |
| *** benji has joined #zope3-dev | 16:29 | |
| *** benji is now known as Guest92567 | 16:29 | |
| *** redir has joined #zope3-dev | 16:35 | |
| *** afd__ has joined #zope3-dev | 16:38 | |
| srichter | mgedmin: ccomb: how close are we getting with a final Zope 3.4 release? | 16:48 |
| srichter | mgedmin: do you think you will be able to get rid of all test failures? | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | hard question | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | so far I'm avoiding the hard ones and working on improving buildbot etc. ;) | 16:49 |
| ccomb | I don't really know what to do with external dependencies such as enscript | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | don't hold the release on my account, if you think some test failures are acceptable | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | ccomb: I know: sudo apt-get install enscript on the buildbot slave host ;-) | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | I'm more confused about PIL and reportlab | 16:50 |
| ccomb | mgedmin yes :) | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | does anyone care about z3c.rml? | 16:50 |
| ccomb | not running or removing the test is not an option | 16:50 |
| srichter | mgedmin: I do :-) | 16:50 |
| ccomb | but I'm thinking of adding a check in the test setUp | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | I assume its tests run on your machine, then? | 16:50 |
| srichter | yep | 16:50 |
| ccomb | if enscript is not available, print a BIG warning | 16:51 |
| srichter | we can turn off testing of z3c.rml | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | ccomb: fixing z3c.coverage is on my to-do list, at low priority | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | srichter: I was considering that | 16:51 |
| ccomb | mgedmin ok then | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | ccomb: it would be nice if zope.testing had a standard way of "skipping this test because you're missing an optional dependency" | 16:51 |
| *** markusleist has quit IRC | 16:51 | |
| srichter | we really should bully PIL and Reportlab; the PIL authors already told me that if we send them a correct setup.py file, tyhey will cut a proper release | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | z3c.coverage is supposed to work when enscript is not available (it falls back to unhighlighted output) | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | yay egg bullying! | 16:52 |
| srichter | he he | 16:52 |
| * mgedmin is currently trying to get buildbot to show test summary (ntests/fail/err) on the waterfall page | 16:52 | |
| *** yvl has joined #zope3-dev | 16:52 | |
| *** timte has quit IRC | 16:53 | |
| mgedmin | I wish the test runner wrapped its dots after every 50 | 16:53 |
| *** MrTopf has joined #zope3-dev | 16:53 | |
| mgedmin | would make buildbot logs nicer | 16:53 |
| *** __mac__ has quit IRC | 16:53 | |
| mgedmin | it used to do that at one point | 16:53 |
| ccomb | should we finally remove all previous versions from controlled-packages ? | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | then someone reverted that bit | 16:53 |
| ccomb | since they are not really tested | 16:53 |
| *** whit has joined #zope3-dev | 16:54 | |
| srichter | ccomb: I meant to respond to your E-mail | 16:54 |
| srichter | since I think you analysis is not right | 16:54 |
| srichter | I agree that during development up to the first alpha, there should only be one version | 16:55 |
| ccomb | I was thinking that, we should reset now, but probably allow more versions after that | 16:55 |
| *** alecm has joined #zope3-dev | 16:55 | |
| srichter | ccomb: I reset on zope-dev | 16:56 |
| srichter | ccomb: it's too late for 3.4 | 16:56 |
| ccomb | what's the use of previous versions, since they are not used in version.cfg ? | 16:56 |
| ccomb | they are not part of any kgs | 16:56 |
| srichter | ccomb: version.cfg is just one output; if you use the index then they are all there | 16:57 |
| ccomb | yes but untested | 16:57 |
| srichter | http://download.zope.org/zope-dev/intro.html | 16:57 |
| srichter | they were tested at the time | 16:57 |
| *** alecm_ has joined #zope3-dev | 16:58 | |
| mgedmin | note how nothing is said about those tests being successful ;-) | 16:58 |
| *** alecm has quit IRC | 16:58 | |
| mgedmin | who has access to the front page of http://download.zope.org/ ? | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | could that someone replace the apache test page with something that gives links to things hosted there? | 16:59 |
| srichter | the idea is that after an alpha, the KGS should only see bug-fix releases | 17:00 |
| srichter | we made some exceptions for 3.4 for various reasons | 17:00 |
| srichter | mgedmin: I think you probably do | 17:01 |
| *** aclark|away is now known as aclark | 17:01 | |
| ccomb | even a bugfix can break backward compatibility in an unexpected way | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | srichter: nope | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | "/var/www/download.zope.org/index.html" E212: Can't open file for writing | 17:02 |
| srichter | let me try | 17:02 |
| srichter | mgedmin: yeah, the group is root in that dir :-( | 17:03 |
| srichter | mgedmin: let's ask Jim when comes back; he can set the groups correctly | 17:03 |
| ignas | ccomb: not like that hasn't happened ever before | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | okay, going through buildout errors | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | z3c.rml is unhappy about PIL and reportlab | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | z3c.form is unhappy about repr() of exceptions on python2.5 | 17:04 |
| ignas | there have been no Zope3 releases that didn't break schooltool :) | 17:04 |
| ignas | when going from one release to another | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | zc.zope3recipes is upgrading zc.buildout unexpectedly | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | hey, doesn't that zc.zope3recipes test depend on the current contents of PyPI??? | 17:05 |
| srichter | I have not looked it might very well do | 17:05 |
| ignas | mgedmin: can you like get the maintainer email out of the setup.py and send an email to the maintainer ;) automatically ;) | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | ignas: about buildbot problems? it's a bit too soon for that, I think | 17:06 |
| *** alecm_ has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| srichter | mgedmin: maybe we should point it to the KGS index, which is more stable | 17:06 |
| srichter | or even better to a particular version | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | or pass the --offline switch to bin/buildout? | 17:06 |
| srichter | oh, I did not know it had this | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | bin/buildout -o | 17:07 |
| *** whit has quit IRC | 17:08 | |
| *** aclark has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| *** aclark has joined #zope3-dev | 17:10 | |
| *** yvl has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| mgedmin | weird | 17:12 |
| mgedmin | zc.zope3recipes fails on my laptop with "Error: Couldn't find a distribution for 'zope.interface'" | 17:12 |
| srichter | try -vvv and see what else the output says | 17:13 |
| *** yvl has joined #zope3-dev | 17:13 | |
| mgedmin | it says lots of things | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | http://zope3.pastey.net/93260 | 17:14 |
| ccomb | on mine it fails with: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'location' | 17:16 |
| *** aclark has quit IRC | 17:16 | |
| *** aclark has joined #zope3-dev | 17:16 | |
| mgedmin | okay, next brick wall: zope.app.apidoc fails deep inside the docutils egg | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | where a relative import of a style named 'roman' fails | 17:17 |
| srichter | oh man | 17:17 |
| srichter | that's a docutils problem | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | probably | 17:17 |
| srichter | I think they used to ship with roman.py and now they don't | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | docutils-0.4 | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | fresh from pypi | 17:17 |
| srichter | because it should be there by default or something | 17:17 |
| srichter | I remember talking to David about that | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | oh, it's not styles.py, it's states.py | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | next: zope.app.appsetup: Security policy is not configured. | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | Please make sure that securitypolicy.zcml is included in site.zcml immediately | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | before principals.zcml | 17:18 |
| srichter | roman.py is still in extras | 17:18 |
| *** whit has joined #zope3-dev | 17:19 | |
| srichter | zope.app.appsetup: that should be easy to fix | 17:19 |
| *** dunny has quit IRC | 17:19 | |
| mgedmin | yay zope.testing.testrunner is lying about the test time | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | wall clock: almost 20 minutes | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | testrunner says: "ran XXX tests in 7 minutes 12 seconds" | 17:20 |
| srichter | he he | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | no failure on trunk | 17:22 |
| mintsauce | how do I override @@loginform.html? | 17:22 |
| ccomb | mintsauce define your own layer in which you do what you want | 17:22 |
| srichter | mgedmin: what do you mean by "no failure on trunk"? (all of the KGS?) | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | srichter: no, that zope.app.appsetup message | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | hm, no failure on the 3.4.1 tag either | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | cannot reproduce it on my laptop | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | maybe it was not produced by zope.app.appsetup's tests, but by something else that includes zope.app.appsetup's zcml? | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | apparently so | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | don't know which test prints that message | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | skipping | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | next: zope.app.generations ValueError: 4 | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | cannot reproduce on my laptop :/ | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | 64-bit issue? | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | wow, zope.app.generations also trigger the docutils bug | 17:26 |
| * mgedmin is going through http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/py2.5-64bit-linux/builds/13/step-test/0 | 17:26 | |
| ccomb | zc.zope3recipes fails differently whether I test from the tag checkout or from zope zope.release generated buildout (with just this test kept) | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | zope.app.homefolder gets a MemoryError! | 17:27 |
| mgedmin | memleak somewhere? | 17:27 |
| ccomb | from the tag http://zope3.pastey.net/93261 | 17:29 |
| ccomb | from the generated-buildout http://zope3.pastey.net/93262 | 17:29 |
| lisppaste6 | mintsauce pasted "Override login" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/64959 | 17:34 |
| mintsauce | ccomb: should this not override it? | 17:34 |
| mintsauce | i can call customlogin.html directly and it works ... | 17:34 |
| ccomb | yes but both login are available | 17:35 |
| mintsauce | is defining it in a custom layer (skin) the only way? | 17:37 |
| ccomb | it's the only way to get rid of all unwanted registrations | 17:37 |
| ccomb | although I've seen an z3c.unconfigure coming this morning | 17:38 |
| ccomb | But you might want to start on a clean layer such as z3c.layer.minimal | 17:38 |
| afd__ | mintsauce: I think philips explains in that chapter the use of the override mechanism | 17:38 |
| afd__ | but starting with a clean skin is the regular way of doing this thing | 17:39 |
| mintsauce | ok, that all makes sense - cheers guys | 17:39 |
| *** rmarianski has joined #zope3-dev | 17:42 | |
| *** baijum has joined #zope3-dev | 17:45 | |
| *** philiKON has quit IRC | 17:49 | |
| mgedmin | those MemoryErrors... during the test run the server had 0.5 gigs free memory (well, page cache, actually) and 1 gig free swap | 17:55 |
| *** projekt01 has quit IRC | 17:55 | |
| *** ktwilight has joined #zope3-dev | 17:57 | |
| *** danielblackburn has joined #zope3-dev | 17:59 | |
| mgedmin | my buildbot now has nice short summary logs | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | e.g. http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/py2.4-32bit-linux/builds/14/step-test/1 | 18:13 |
| *** mintsauce has quit IRC | 18:13 | |
| *** baijum has left #zope3-dev | 18:14 | |
| *** jayaraj has quit IRC | 18:15 | |
| *** philiKON has joined #zope3-dev | 18:17 | |
| *** ccomb_ has quit IRC | 18:19 | |
| *** binseer has quit IRC | 18:21 | |
| *** djohnson_ has joined #zope3-dev | 18:22 | |
| *** djohnson_ has left #zope3-dev | 18:24 | |
| *** whit has quit IRC | 18:24 | |
| *** natea_ has joined #zope3-dev | 18:25 | |
| *** natea_ has quit IRC | 18:33 | |
| *** goschtl has quit IRC | 18:39 | |
| *** whit has joined #zope3-dev | 18:40 | |
| *** dobee has quit IRC | 18:45 | |
| *** rocky is now known as rocky|away | 18:46 | |
| mgedmin | where does the ImportError of zope.interface.common.tests.test_import_interfaces come from? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | it happens on only one machine | 18:47 |
| *** djohnson__ has joined #zope3-dev | 19:04 | |
| *** djohnson__ has left #zope3-dev | 19:05 | |
| *** dobee has joined #zope3-dev | 19:10 | |
| *** charith_para has quit IRC | 19:11 | |
| *** maurits has left #zope3-dev | 19:11 | |
| *** hexsprite has quit IRC | 19:11 | |
| *** timte has joined #zope3-dev | 19:14 | |
| *** zagy_ has quit IRC | 19:21 | |
| *** danfairs has quit IRC | 19:23 | |
| mgedmin | srichter: would it be hard to get zope.release's bin/generate-buildout to copy bin/buildout to test/bin/buildout? | 19:34 |
| srichter | could be done | 19:35 |
| srichter | to save you the bootstrap call I guess? | 19:36 |
| srichter | yeah, we could do that | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | no, not the bootstrap call | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | well, yes | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | the point its, test/ contains only buildout.cfg | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | and if I want to run it with the same virtualenv sandbox, I have to either use ../bin/buildout | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | or run /full/path/to/python ../bootstrap.py | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | it's fine for the buildbot, which is a machine, but a bit inconvenient when testing by hand | 19:39 |
| srichter | I see | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | you can accidentally easily run your system-wide zc.buildout and get a different python version than you expected | 19:39 |
| srichter | I always use the latter | 19:39 |
| srichter | I had not found it to be too much of a hassle personally | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | neither have I, until just now | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | usually I tolerate system pythons etc. | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | but now I wanted exact reproducibility | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | hey, my sandbox-isolated buildout is not sandbox-isolated! why? | 19:40 |
| *** danfairs has joined #zope3-dev | 19:40 | |
| srichter | no idea | 19:40 |
| srichter | I am not using sandboxes | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | "Not overwriting existing python script sandbox/bin/python (you must use sandbox/bin/python2.5)" | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | clue | 19:42 |
| *** djohnson_ has joined #zope3-dev | 19:43 | |
| mgedmin | no, that's not it... | 19:43 |
| *** djohnson_ has left #zope3-dev | 19:43 | |
| mgedmin | zope.release's bin/buildout generated by running sandbox/bin/python bootstrap.py explicitly inserts /usr/lib/python2.x/site-packages in its sys.path | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | why? | 19:46 |
| srichter | no idea | 19:58 |
| srichter | I am not doing anything funky | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | it all works fine when I sudo -u buildbot -s and try to execute those command manually | 20:00 |
| *** rocky|away is now known as rocky | 20:04 | |
| *** srichter has quit IRC | 20:07 | |
| *** whit has quit IRC | 20:09 | |
| *** charith_para has joined #zope3-dev | 20:10 | |
| *** faassen has joined #zope3-dev | 20:11 | |
| *** alecm has joined #zope3-dev | 20:11 | |
| *** ccomb_ has joined #zope3-dev | 20:12 | |
| *** malthe has quit IRC | 20:13 | |
| mgedmin | hey, it's bin/buildout itself that upgrades setuptools 0.6c8 in my sandbox to setuptools 0.6c8 and regenerates itself to include system-wide site-packages | 20:14 |
| *** dobee has quit IRC | 20:26 | |
| *** MrTopf has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| mgedmin | hm, it thinks I have a develop egg of setuptools | 20:31 |
| *** ccomb_ has quit IRC | 20:34 | |
| *** afd__ has quit IRC | 20:40 | |
| mgedmin | WHO PUT THIS HERE??? | 20:41 |
| mgedmin | there's a develop-eggs/setuptools.egg-link in the broken sandbox | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | which tells buildout to put my system-wide site-packages into sys.path | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | nice hidden trap for buildout beginners, I salute you | 20:42 |
| *** mkerrin has quit IRC | 20:42 | |
| mgedmin | sterile environment restored | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | resuming the experimental protocol | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | expect results in approximately 1 hour and 4 minutes | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | or, as zope.testing calls it, "22 minutes" | 20:46 |
| *** jukart has quit IRC | 20:46 | |
| mgedmin | those must be imperial minutes, I think | 20:46 |
| *** ccomb_ has joined #zope3-dev | 20:51 | |
| chaoflow | am I right that zc.recipe.testrunner does not support zcml, and what is the most minimal test environment where zcml is loaded? | 20:51 |
| ignas | well, emm, "-f" ? | 20:51 |
| ignas | i mean - if you add your tests to some kind of a functional test layer, that inherits from ZCMLLayer | 20:52 |
| ignas | your tests will include zcml | 20:52 |
| chaoflow | ignas: so just to use zope's FunctionalDocTest, e.g. | 20:53 |
| chaoflow | seems so logic, when you come to think of it ;) | 20:54 |
| chaoflow | ignas: thx | 20:56 |
| ignas | np | 20:57 |
| *** stub has joined #zope3-dev | 21:00 | |
| *** dobee has joined #zope3-dev | 21:05 | |
| *** djohnson has joined #zope3-dev | 21:05 | |
| *** djohnson has left #zope3-dev | 21:05 | |
| *** mgedmin has quit IRC | 21:06 | |
| *** nathany has joined #zope3-dev | 21:08 | |
| *** dobee has quit IRC | 21:09 | |
| *** dobee has joined #zope3-dev | 21:10 | |
| *** dobee has quit IRC | 21:11 | |
| *** whit has joined #zope3-dev | 21:13 | |
| *** Guest92567 is now known as benji | 21:17 | |
| *** jodok has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| *** ignas has quit IRC | 21:21 | |
| *** dvschramm has joined #zope3-dev | 21:24 | |
| *** vipod has joined #zope3-dev | 21:24 | |
| *** baijum has joined #zope3-dev | 21:26 | |
| *** vipod_ has joined #zope3-dev | 21:26 | |
| *** djohnson__ has joined #zope3-dev | 21:28 | |
| *** djohnson__ has left #zope3-dev | 21:28 | |
| *** jsadjohnson has left #zope3-dev | 21:34 | |
| chaoflow | I would like to factor out IAuthenticatorPlugin and PrincipalInfo from zope.app.authentication. Is that a no-go or is worth thinking of it? | 21:39 |
| philiKON | where to? | 21:40 |
| philiKON | and why? | 21:40 |
| philiKON | i think you should write a proposal to the list | 21:40 |
| philiKON | answering these questions :) | 21:40 |
| chaoflow | ah - of course, there was some information missing | 21:42 |
| chaoflow | will write to the list | 21:42 |
| chaoflow | to zope.authentication | 21:42 |
| *** seletz has quit IRC | 21:46 | |
| *** vipod has quit IRC | 21:47 | |
| philiKON | uh huh | 21:48 |
| *** elro has quit IRC | 21:48 | |
| *** bigkevmcd has quit IRC | 21:51 | |
| *** jodok has joined #zope3-dev | 21:51 | |
| chaoflow | philiKON: was that an answer to my proposal? ;) | 21:51 |
| philiKON | i'm curious to see hear your reasining | 21:52 |
| philiKON | reasoning even | 21:52 |
| philiKON | why those | 21:52 |
| philiKON | and not IAuthentication | 21:52 |
| philiKON | i for one would love to cut down the dependencies of zope.security | 21:52 |
| philiKON | because zope.security depends on the whoel universe | 21:52 |
| philiKON | because it depends on zope.app.authentication for some reason | 21:52 |
| philiKON | some unfathomable reason i should say | 21:53 |
| philiKON | and zope.app.authentication has browser views | 21:53 |
| philiKON | so it needs zope.app.publisher | 21:53 |
| philiKON | and so on | 21:53 |
| chaoflow | probably more than those, I currently need those two outside of an app - so I started with those | 21:53 |
| philiKON | so i can understand the reason for zope.authentication | 21:53 |
| philiKON | basically, a zope.app.authentication without the browser junk | 21:53 |
| *** vipod_ is now known as vipod | 21:53 | |
| philiKON | like we have zope.securitypolicy (which used to be part of zope.app.securitypolicy as well) | 21:53 |
| chaoflow | I would go over zope.app.authentication and seperate concepts from implementations that depend on zope.app stuff and persistent | 21:53 |
| philiKON | persistent is ok i think | 21:54 |
| philiKON | depending on the ZODB doesn't pull in the whole universe :) | 21:54 |
| * chaoflow always imagines zope.* to be usable anywhere, even without ZODB and zope.app to be the stuff meant for inside the application server | 21:55 | |
| chaoflow | or is that a wrong view? | 21:55 |
| philiKON | it could still depend on the zodb | 21:56 |
| philiKON | *and* be usable anywhere | 21:56 |
| chaoflow | that's true, it doesnt mean creating one | 21:58 |
| philiKON | just because a class inherits from Persistent doesn't mean it actually gets persisted anywhere | 21:58 |
| philiKON | you could probably register the PAU as a global utility just fine | 21:58 |
| *** charith_para has quit IRC | 21:58 | |
| *** stub has quit IRC | 22:01 | |
| chaoflow | philiKON: like in the kitchentools example? | 22:03 |
| chaoflow | i mean . not ? | 22:04 |
| philiKON | well, there i actually have two separate implementations i think | 22:04 |
| philiKON | it's a stupid example anyways :) | 22:04 |
| chaoflow | yes, but I think you point out, that it could be one and the same | 22:04 |
| philiKON | ok | 22:05 |
| philiKON | good :) | 22:05 |
| chaoflow | :) | 22:05 |
| chaoflow | philiKON: I just checked zope.security and couldn't find dependencies to zope.app.authentication | 22:07 |
| philiKON | it's indirect iirc | 22:08 |
| *** Jell-O-Fishi has joined #zope3-dev | 22:10 | |
| *** yvl has quit IRC | 22:17 | |
| *** bigkevmcd has joined #zope3-dev | 22:18 | |
| *** yvl has joined #zope3-dev | 22:19 | |
| *** smZzz is now known as sm | 22:20 | |
| *** agroszer has quit IRC | 22:25 | |
| *** dbfrombrc_ has joined #zope3-dev | 22:26 | |
| *** andres_f is now known as andres | 22:29 | |
| *** yotaff has joined #zope3-dev | 22:35 | |
| *** dbfrombrc has quit IRC | 22:42 | |
| chaoflow | what is the root of things holding stuff in zope.app.*? | 22:42 |
| chaoflow | or roots? | 22:43 |
| *** dunny has joined #zope3-dev | 22:48 | |
| philiKON | chaoflow: eh? | 22:49 |
| *** supton has joined #zope3-dev | 22:53 | |
| *** baijum has left #zope3-dev | 22:56 | |
| *** alga has joined #zope3-dev | 22:56 | |
| *** srichter has joined #zope3-dev | 23:00 | |
| *** jpcw2002 has quit IRC | 23:13 | |
| *** supton has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** Jell-O-Fishi has quit IRC | 23:19 | |
| *** jpcw2002 has joined #zope3-dev | 23:20 | |
| *** jpcw2002 has quit IRC | 23:22 | |
| *** jpcw2002 has joined #zope3-dev | 23:24 | |
| *** dbfrombrc_ is now known as dbfrombrc | 23:26 | |
| chaoflow | philiKON: I mean, there are efforts to move things out of zope.app.* to zope.*, I was just wondering what the criterias are for moving out, or whether eventually everything will be in zope.* | 23:31 |
| philiKON | there aren't real efforts | 23:31 |
| philiKON | they just pop up as they're needed | 23:31 |
| philiKON | i think the main theme of all of this should be to be able to reduce interdependencies | 23:32 |
| *** yotaff has quit IRC | 23:32 | |
| philiKON | s/to be able//g :) | 23:32 |
| chaoflow | so, moving to zope.* is good, if it works without moving all of zope.app along? | 23:33 |
| philiKON | i don't understand that question :). point is, we shouldn't blindly start moving things | 23:34 |
| philiKON | i think we're all a bit more conservative after the zope 3.3 fiasco | 23:34 |
| chaoflow | I probably missed that... | 23:34 |
| philiKON | moving a few selected, individual pieces to places that make more sense would be a good idea IF they meet the goal of reducing dependencies | 23:34 |
| chaoflow | ok - great - that's what I understood, too | 23:35 |
| chaoflow | and other way round, if there is something in zope.app that is useful/wanted without things from zope.app and it is possible to move, then moving is good, if it does not lead to weird code | 23:36 |
| philiKON | well | 23:36 |
| philiKON | moving is never good | 23:37 |
| philiKON | because it makes people having to change their software to keep it working | 23:37 |
| philiKON | or to surpress deprecation warnings | 23:37 |
| philiKON | that's what i'm trying to say :) | 23:37 |
| chaoflow | ok - got that :) | 23:37 |
| philiKON | however, in a few selected, well-researched cases this pain might be smaller than the one we have from numerous dependencies | 23:37 |
| chaoflow | guess am living with the things in zope.app.authentication for the moment until I find the time to write a well-written proposal | 23:38 |
| philiKON | good idea :) | 23:38 |
| chaoflow | eventually backed-up by some sample code, making use of those things | 23:38 |
| *** yvl has quit IRC | 23:40 | |
| *** oggers has joined #zope3-dev | 23:42 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!