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| ccomb | zope.server tests against ZEO tests are fixed but there is something bad elsewhere | 01:45 |
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| srichter | ccomb: cool | 01:49 |
| ccomb | not that much | 01:49 |
| ccomb | the same tests fail for another reason now | 01:50 |
| ccomb | apart from that, there are 4 failures from z3c.formdemo, and 1 failure from z3c.formjs | 01:51 |
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| ccomb | due tu z3c.form 1.8.2 formatting that seems to change | 01:52 |
| ccomb | that should be easy to fix | 01:52 |
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| ccomb | Ok, the failure is a mix of zope.app.server, zope.server and ZEO | 02:08 |
| ccomb | same cause | 02:08 |
| ccomb | ok I know how to fix it | 02:24 |
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| ccomb | 12178 tests, 5 failures, 0 errors in 16 minutes 26.259 seconds | 03:31 |
| ccomb | 4 failures on formdemo, 1 on formjs | 03:31 |
| ccomb | zope.server tests pass \o/ | 03:31 |
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| ChrisW | hey all, how would I tests a post to a url? | 14:18 |
| ChrisW | I guess this is a functional test type thing? | 14:19 |
| philiKON | yes | 14:19 |
| ChrisW | any good examples? | 14:19 |
| philiKON | in my book | 14:19 |
| ChrisW | chapter? | 14:19 |
| philiKON | the one on testing | 14:19 |
| philiKON | see ToC | 14:19 |
| ChrisW | so I guess this would be using testbrowser? | 14:21 |
| philiKON | either that or the http() callable, if you something more low-level | 14:22 |
| ChrisW | yeah, where does that come from? | 14:23 |
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| philiKON | it's available in functioanl doc tests | 14:24 |
| ChrisW | so does that mean I need zope.app.testing in my buildout or some other thing? | 14:24 |
| philiKON | yes | 14:25 |
| philiKON | look at what zopeproject generates | 14:25 |
| mintsauce | Two quick questions, with what I suspect are much longer answers ... | 14:31 |
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| mintsauce | Actually - 1 question - as is often the case I realised the answer to the first while typing it :P | 14:35 |
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| mintsauce | Is is possible to stop objects being named with 'invalid' characters - eg: site.com/folder/An Example Object - should arguably be: site.com/folder/An_Example_Object | 14:37 |
| afd__ | mintsauce: write your own adapter for INameChooser | 14:37 |
| mintsauce | afd__: that filters and swaps these out? | 14:37 |
| afd__ | also, when writing it, you should lower case all the characters. I'd also translate all characters to ascii | 14:38 |
| mintsauce | k ... just wanted to check that zope didnt do it somewhere already :) | 14:38 |
| afd__ | look at the INameChooser interface and your questions will be answered :) | 14:38 |
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| ccomb | there is a default namechoose already registered, but it does do much | 14:39 |
| philiKON | my book demonstrates a custom INameChooser | 14:42 |
| philiKON | i should set up a RTFB bot | 14:42 |
| mintsauce | lol | 14:45 |
| * baijum think an up-to-date online docs is necessary for Zope 3 | 14:45 | |
| junkafarian | there are the api docs | 14:46 |
| ccomb | that's not enough, give the apidoc to a beginner and see the result | 14:46 |
| philiKON | also, people shouldn't be afraid to read the code once in a while | 14:46 |
| philiKON | api doc is a reference | 14:46 |
| baijum | junkafarian: Somthing like a book | 14:46 |
| philiKON | beginners won't learn with a reference. never. | 14:47 |
| * mintsauce waves | 14:47 | |
| * baijum has started few efforts earlier ... but couldn't continue :( | 14:47 | |
| junkafarian | a zope book would get outdated very quickly as far as i can tell | 14:48 |
| junkafarian | each package should just have well documented code/tests/docstrings etc | 14:48 |
| junkafarian | zope isnt a beginners framework | 14:48 |
| baijum | junkafarian: I disagree, now Zope 3 is not changing fundamentally much | 14:48 |
| thruflo_ | I'm a beginner! :p | 14:48 |
| ccomb | actually, philiKON's book is not outdated at all, excepted for deployment | 14:49 |
| philiKON | i don't think my book's 2nd and 3rd editions are much outdated | 14:49 |
| * thruflo_ agrees | 14:49 | |
| junkafarian | very true | 14:49 |
| * baijum also agree | 14:49 | |
| philiKON | and then there's grok for those who are overwhelmed in the beginning | 14:49 |
| junkafarian | depends what sort of detail you want i spose | 14:49 |
| * mintsauce agrees - only thing missing is buildout, but he knows that ;) | 14:49 | |
| thruflo_ | perhaps there's a gap before you get to the book, i.e.: "why do I want to learn web component development with Zope 3?" | 14:50 |
| philiKON | junkafarian: as i've said, after a certain point you should just be comfortable to do some digging. python is legible enough, i think | 14:50 |
| baijum | Well, I recently started yet another book effort :) here it is: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Zope_3_Book | 14:50 |
| philiKON | thruflo_: yes. i'm planning to address that issue | 14:50 |
| philiKON | there isn't that much rocket science in zope 3 | 14:52 |
| philiKON | a few parts are a bit complex, maybe | 14:52 |
| mintsauce | philiKON: Out of interest, and briefly, why would you want to? (For me I liked what I had seen of python and Zope 2, but didn't need a lot of what Zope 2 had) | 14:52 |
| junkafarian | philiKON: yup :) also, the codebase tends to be very nicely written so its very easy to follow | 14:52 |
| philiKON | junkafarian: and if it isn't, something's wrong, so people should feel free to improve it and make it clearer | 14:52 |
| thruflo_ | perhaps one approach is to make the links between pop science best practise and zope methodology clear, i.e.: everyone's read Getting It Done / guides on agile development, etc. | 14:52 |
| philiKON | mintsauce: i' | 14:53 |
| philiKON | mintsauce: i didn't say i wanted to cover more zope2 | 14:53 |
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| mintsauce | philiKON: didnt mean that ....... i meant, how would you summarise "why do I want to learn web component development with Zope 3?" - For me i had used and liked python and zope2 with plone, but for full application development didn't need or want what they offered - Zope 3 seemed like the natural next step .. | 14:55 |
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| * ccomb will use the response as the headline for http://new.zope.org :) | 14:59 | |
| ccomb | s/response/answer/ | 14:59 |
| mintsauce | ccomb: nice design, first time ive seen it :) | 15:00 |
| ccomb | actually we need content | 15:00 |
| ccomb | Help is needed for http://new.zope.org/projects/zope-application-server/zope2 | 15:01 |
| ccomb | and http://new.zope.org/projects/grok | 15:01 |
| thruflo_ | oooh | 15:01 |
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| * mintsauce thinks the whole 'Why Zope 3' is a bit of a problem anyway - even among experienced users | 15:03 | |
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| philiKON | ccomb: are you going to merge r89870 to the trunk as well? | 15:04 |
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| ccomb | philiKON: ah yes, and 89765 too | 15:06 |
| ccomb | and others that fix just the tests (zope.server, zc.zope3recipes) | 15:07 |
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| Theuni | gnarr | 15:32 |
| Theuni | zope.security is broken on the simple and ppix indexes | 15:33 |
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| ccomb | Theuni: missing or broken ? | 15:34 |
| Theuni | the .zip file is missing | 15:34 |
| Theuni | i wonder who deleted that | 15:35 |
| ccomb | on which version ? | 15:35 |
| Theuni | 3.4.1 | 15:35 |
| Theuni | I would think pypi doesn't loose it by itself. | 15:35 |
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| ccomb | Theuni: give me upload right and I upload what's missing | 15:36 |
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| Theuni | ccomb: i'm already about to do that | 15:37 |
| ccomb | ok | 15:37 |
| Theuni | i'm just *really* annoyed this happened and we have no way to find out why | 15:37 |
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| elro | Is there a better way to set up dynamic default values on an add form other than stuffing them into request.form? | 16:29 |
| elro | widget.setRenderedValue | 16:31 |
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| mintsauce_lunch | do object id's have to be unique site wide, or folder wide? | 18:18 |
| mintsauce_lunch | oops | 18:18 |
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| mintsauce | long lunch :P | 18:19 |
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| philiKON | ccomb: about the 'size' argument | 20:29 |
| philiKON | ccomb: have you actually updated twisted? | 20:30 |
| philiKON | i don't see wehre zope.publisher now depends on a more modern twisted | 20:30 |
| * ccomb is looking for this dependency somewhere | 20:31 | |
| philiKON | i guess zope.publisher doesn't depend on twisted | 20:31 |
| philiKON | it's independent | 20:31 |
| philiKON | however | 20:31 |
| ccomb | zope.app.twisted does? | 20:32 |
| philiKON | zope.app.twisted actually contains the twisted code | 20:32 |
| philiKON | i don't think zope.publisher should rely on zope.app.twisted, that would be silly | 20:32 |
| philiKON | but we should make a new zope.app.twisted with the more modern twisted version | 20:32 |
| ccomb | twisted is embedded in zope.app.twisted ?? | 20:33 |
| philiKON | it's part of the zope.app.twisted egg | 20:33 |
| philiKON | the twisted package is part of the zope.app.twisted egg | 20:33 |
| philiKON | as is the zope.app.twisted package | 20:34 |
| ccomb | mmh | 20:35 |
| ccomb | I should probably revert for the 3.4 branch | 20:35 |
| philiKON | maybe | 20:35 |
| philiKON | certainly this can't be part of the same known-good set as the old twisted | 20:36 |
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| isembard | Hi folks im new to the CA world and have a specific question about design patterns | 20:51 |
| ccomb | philiKON: It looks like it's supported in all 3.4.x versions of zope.app.twisted | 20:53 |
| ccomb | the svn:external points to twisted 2.5.0 | 20:54 |
| ccomb | In version 2.2.0 it was not supported http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/tags/release-2.2.0/twisted/web2/wsgi.py | 20:54 |
| ccomb | The actual version for zope.app.twisted is http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/tags/releases/twisted-core-2.5.0/twisted/web2/wsgi.py | 20:57 |
| isembard | I have a number of reports that I am currently displaying via viewlets, I use formlib so use an IViewlet adapter, but I want to add some functionality that allows me to export as CSV some values of the ZODB. do I provide a CSV adapter to IViewlet, or should I subclass IViewlet to IReportViewlet and the provide the functionality to that??? Whats best practice? | 20:57 |
| ChrisW | philiKON: ping? | 20:58 |
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| philiKON | ccomb: ok looks good then | 21:00 |
| philiKON | ChrisW: pong | 21:00 |
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| ChrisW | philiKON: so, functional testing, your chapter didn't go into enough detail ;-) | 21:04 |
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| philiKON | i bet it didn't indeed | 21:05 |
| ChrisW | so why'd you tell me to read it? :-P | 21:05 |
| philiKON | coz it's a good start nonetheless, i hope | 21:05 |
| ChrisW | yeah, but I new 90% of that stuff already ;-) | 21:06 |
| philiKON | how should i know that :) | 21:06 |
| ChrisW | 'cos you know I've been working on/with Zope 3 since before you wrote the book ;-) | 21:06 |
| ChrisW | anyway, if I want to use zope.testbrowser.testing.Browser, what's the minimum I need to do to set up a couple of objects to traverse and a staple on a view? | 21:07 |
| philiKON | phew, i don't know that from memory | 21:07 |
| ChrisW | I'll probably od the view stapling with a call to xmlconfig, sicne I need to show it in my doctest | 21:07 |
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| philiKON | xmlconfig? just use a layer | 21:07 |
| philiKON | ZCMLLayer to be precise | 21:07 |
| ChrisW | the book kinda covers a belt'n'braces approach | 21:07 |
| philiKON | (I also told you to tak ea look at what zopeproject generates) | 21:07 |
| ChrisW | philiKON: nah, I want the xml config to actually form part of the doctest | 21:07 |
| philiKON | uh huh | 21:08 |
| ChrisW | eg: "you need to configure an ISomething utility, this can be done using the following zcml:" | 21:08 |
| philiKON | well to be able to run the pbulsihing machienry, traversal , etc. you 're going to need a bucnh of stuff | 21:08 |
| philiKON | most of what ozpe.app.zcmlfiles includes | 21:08 |
| philiKON | so best is you look there | 21:08 |
| philiKON | both meta and configure | 21:09 |
| ChrisW | waagh | 21:09 |
| ChrisW | I wonder how I can just simulate a post the view class by hand | 21:09 |
| ChrisW | ? | 21:09 |
| philiKON | sure you can | 21:09 |
| ChrisW | unfortunately, it actually needs to process the body of a POST, how would I do that? | 21:10 |
| philiKON | make a TestRequest | 21:10 |
| ChrisW | ooo | 21:10 |
| philiKON | TestRequest | 21:10 |
| ChrisW | where does TestRequest live? | 21:10 |
| philiKON | grep | 21:10 |
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| ChrisW | yeah thanks, greo, that well known windows utility :-( | 21:12 |
| philiKON | it's not my fault you don't have the proper tools :) | 21:12 |
| ChrisW | also bear in mind that with the advent of buildout, I no longer have a convenient entire zope 3 source tree lying around ;-) | 21:12 |
| philiKON | there's cygwin | 21:12 |
| philiKON | you can still grep through your eggs | 21:13 |
| ChrisW | and what if it's in an egg I don't have? ;-) | 21:13 |
| philiKON | then it's not part of zope is it | 21:13 |
| ChrisW | huh? | 21:13 |
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| ChrisW | I'm only using minimal parts of zope 3 | 21:13 |
| philiKON | sorry, don't have time to discuss this in length | 21:14 |
| philiKON | i will just refuse to grep for you | 21:14 |
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| ChrisW | currently z.interface, z.component,z.configuration and z.publisher... | 21:14 |
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| ChrisW | sheesh, sicne when did you get so fucking grumpy.. | 21:14 |
| ChrisW | google appears to be helping... | 21:14 |
| philiKON | i'm not grumpy, i'm just short on time | 21:15 |
| philiKON | and you're asking me questions w/o appearing to invest any time yourself | 21:15 |
| philiKON | you couldn't have googled five minutes ago? | 21:15 |
| philiKON | instead of asking "where does it live?" | 21:15 |
| ChrisW | well, you're making an incorrect assumption on at least two counts | 21:15 |
| ChrisW | I googles the same time as I asked | 21:15 |
| philiKON | good | 21:16 |
| ChrisW | google is helping a little, but there are a lot of TestRequests all over the place | 21:16 |
| ChrisW | I suspect this would also be a problem with grep, although I don't have a handy grep expression for finding a line if a load for eggs | 21:16 |
| philiKON | googling for "zope api testrequest" produces quite some correct hits | 21:17 |
| philiKON | they all point to the right thing | 21:17 |
| ChrisW | right, that key "api" bit which I had no idea idea i had to magically add ;-) | 21:17 |
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| philiKON | well, i was hoping it would point me to a page on http://apidoc.zope.org | 21:18 |
| ChrisW | z3c.form is a bit annoying in that it's the top hit but is the wrong hit... | 21:18 |
| philiKON | which is why i added it | 21:18 |
| ChrisW | I bet apidoc has some kinda spider block on it | 21:18 |
| philiKON | hrm | 21:18 |
| ChrisW | and bear in mind I didn't even know that site existed ;-) | 21:18 |
| ChrisW | (it's not particularly well advertised, if at all) | 21:18 |
| ChrisW | hmm, is pypi down? | 21:19 |
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| philiKON | hmm, it appears to be indeed | 21:19 |
| ChrisW | joy | 21:19 |
| ChrisW | from zope.publisher.browser import TestRequest ? | 21:20 |
| philiKON | i guess. that's what google told me too :) | 21:20 |
| philiKON | looks good | 21:20 |
| philiKON | btw, there's always index = http://download.zope.org/simple | 21:20 |
| ChrisW | hmm, would be lovely if there were any docs for TestRequest | 21:21 |
| philiKON | help(TestRequest) works for me | 21:21 |
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| ChrisW | well for me it doesn't... | 21:23 |
| ChrisW | "Browser request with a constructor convenient for testing" | 21:23 |
| ChrisW | wow. that's helpful ;-) | 21:23 |
| * ChrisW was hoping for some narrative docs somewhere... | 21:23 | |
| philiKON | __init__(self, body_instream=None, environ=None, form=None, skin=None, **kw) | 21:23 |
| philiKON | what narrative docs do you need? | 21:24 |
| philiKON | i thought you wanted to test your view manually? | 21:24 |
| ChrisW | well, would be nice to know what those parameters actually meant ;-) | 21:24 |
| philiKON | so you just make one of those test request objects, stub out a POST and pass the request to the view | 21:24 |
| philiKON | body_instream and environ are pretty clear i think | 21:24 |
| ChrisW | would be great to see some examples, in my case especially simulating a POST where the data in in the body... | 21:24 |
| philiKON | form is probalby what ends up as request.form | 21:24 |
| philiKON | ChrisW: just pass in a HTTP POST as a StringIO in body_instream ?!? | 21:25 |
| ChrisW | body_instream and environ are not :-( | 21:25 |
| philiKON | they're pretty much WSGIesque | 21:25 |
| philiKON | or even CGIesque | 21:25 |
| ChrisW | whatever that means... | 21:25 |
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| ChrisW | anyway, I'll likely figure out TestRequest after a few more years of suffering, now how would I simulate what would, in Zope 2 land, be sometestobj.restrictedTraverse('child/@@view')? | 21:26 |
| ChrisW | (to similuate the url traversal part of the publication process, so I can demonstrate tha tthe view-stpaling zcml has worked) | 21:27 |
| philiKON | there isn't anything like restrictedTraverse | 21:28 |
| ChrisW | Hurm, I wonder where the traversal code in zope.publisher is? | 21:29 |
| philiKON | it isn't really | 21:29 |
| philiKON | the publication implements traversal | 21:30 |
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| ChrisW | hurm... well, let me come at this from a totally different angle... your book covers integration testing from the point of view of having a zope 3 instance... what do people like me do when we're starting from a buildout for hte package we're developing? | 21:33 |
| ChrisW | (you persuaded me and I now finally like the "svn co, python bootstrap.py, bin/buildout, bin/test" dance ;-) ) | 21:34 |
| philiKON | you mean for integration teesting? | 21:34 |
| ChrisW | indeed | 21:36 |
| philiKON | ok | 21:36 |
| philiKON | well | 21:36 |
| ChrisW | if, as in my packages case, it needs some views and post backs to those views to work properly | 21:36 |
| philiKON | right | 21:36 |
| philiKON | i would write an ftesting.zcml | 21:36 |
| philiKON | that would load up as much config as necessary | 21:36 |
| philiKON | for all of this work | 21:36 |
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| philiKON | then i would make a layer out of that (cf zopeproject) | 21:36 |
| philiKON | write a normal test and place it on that layer | 21:37 |
| philiKON | by saying suite.layer = TheLayer | 21:37 |
| philiKON | so the secret sauce is in ftesting.zcml, mostly | 21:37 |
| ChrisW | how does ftesting.zcl get processed though? | 21:37 |
| philiKON | that's the layer's job | 21:37 |
| ChrisW | you say zopep[roject has an example of this? | 21:38 |
| philiKON | yes | 21:38 |
| ChrisW | (to the point where I could use tesrbrowser... | 21:38 |
| philiKON | yes | 21:38 |
| ChrisW | and doesn't require a full zope instance to run? ;-) | 21:38 |
| philiKON | though admittedly zopeproject doens't assume your'e minimalistic about your requirements | 21:38 |
| philiKON | but i trust you can narrow down your ftesting.zcml enough | 21:39 |
| ChrisW | yeah, I suspect it';ll be almost empty | 21:39 |
| philiKON | no, the layer only needs that one ftesting.zcml | 21:39 |
| ChrisW | I literally need to have one demo object to hang views off | 21:39 |
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| ChrisW | which svn does zopeproject live in? | 21:41 |
| philiKON | svn.zope.org -> Sandbox/philikon | 21:42 |
| ChrisW | ah | 21:42 |
| ChrisW | well hidden ;-) | 21:42 |
| philiKON | note that i'm not talking about what zopeproject uses but what it generates (it's a sandbox generation tool) | 21:42 |
| ChrisW | http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/philikon/zopeproject/trunk/zopeproject/zope_app/src/%2Bpackage%2B/testing.py?rev=80386&view=auto ? | 21:43 |
| philiKON | y | 21:43 |
| ChrisW | bleh... zope.app.testing | 21:44 |
| ChrisW | hurm, what egg is that in? | 21:44 |
| ChrisW | zope.app.testing per chance? | 21:44 |
| philiKON | yes :( | 21:44 |
| ChrisW | and does it have dependencies on 10 million other eggs? | 21:45 |
| philiKON | prolly :( | 21:45 |
| ChrisW | waaagh | 21:45 |
| philiKON | i know, "modular and flexible my ***" | 21:45 |
| ChrisW | hmm, I wonder if it ships with zope 2? | 21:45 |
| philiKON | hmmm | 21:45 |
| philiKON | that i dont' know | 21:45 |
| ChrisW | yep, it does | 21:46 |
| ChrisW | wow, zope really is a fucking mess when you step back and look at it as a whole ;-) | 21:46 |
| ChrisW | I wonder if there's any other framework in existence where most users of the framework simultaneously use two major versions at the same time? ;-) | 21:46 |
| ChrisW | yay! pypi lives again ;-) | 21:47 |
| * ChrisW puts zope.app.testing in the eggs for the testrunner recipe and watches with glee ;-) | 21:49 | |
| ChrisW | yay! it's raining eggs! hallelujah it's raining eggs! (apologies to the weather girls) | 21:51 |
| ChrisW | oh WOW! I get ZODB! how cooool! :-( | 21:52 |
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| philiKON | i suppose you could just not use zcmllalyer ;) | 21:53 |
| ChrisW | hey, and pagetemplates too, awesome, I need them ;-) | 21:53 |
| ChrisW | zcmllayer comes from zope.app.testing.functional, hence the rain of eggs | 21:53 |
| ChrisW | unless you're telling me there's a much simpler zcmllayer lurking somewhere? | 21:54 |
| philiKON | unfortunately not | 21:55 |
| ChrisW | hahaha - fuck, I even get docutils and RestrictedPython | 21:55 |
| ChrisW | wow, talk about the kitchen sink... | 21:55 |
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